Faulty mk 1 cluster
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Hi guys i need help . I have a mk1 caddy bakkie . It has a 2L 8v motor in with dictator . My cluster flicker light stays bright ? My clock doesnt work ,fuel gauge doesn't work ,temp gauge doesn't work . But when i put the lights on the fuel gauge goes to full and when i put it off it goes to empty
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Fuel and temp gauge probably means 10v stabiliser needs replacing
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The one with the 3 legs ?
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The one with the 3 legs ? I tried 4 different clusters
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Replace your main grounds battery to frame frame to engine.
Add a new ground from the pin2 brown of your cluster connector to the firewall behind the cluster
Replace the 10V stabilizer on the rear of the cluster.
35-60 bucks from VWheritage werks34.de. Or find
at a electrics shop or ebay.
LM7810-AET. or a LM2940T-10 Cheaper off EBAY, and order 4 or 5 of them.
Add a new ground from the pin2 brown of your cluster connector to the firewall behind the cluster
Replace the 10V stabilizer on the rear of the cluster.
35-60 bucks from VWheritage werks34.de. Or find
at a electrics shop or ebay.
LM7810-AET. or a LM2940T-10 Cheaper off EBAY, and order 4 or 5 of them.
What do Divorces, Great Coffee, and Car Electrics all have in common?
They all start with GOOD Grounds.
Where are my DIY Links?
They all start with GOOD Grounds.
Where are my DIY Links?
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Local Hero

You did run a Ground wire off the Valve cover nut over to the Coil Bracket on the fire wall?
What do Divorces, Great Coffee, and Car Electrics all have in common?
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Valve cover bracket on right rear side of the valve cover (
as you are looking at it).
To the Coil Bracket.
Why show Clean Pictures of my engine bay.
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ok, after cleaning
Me after.

To the Coil Bracket.

Why show Clean Pictures of my engine bay.

ok, after cleaning

Me after.

What do Divorces, Great Coffee, and Car Electrics all have in common?
They all start with GOOD Grounds.
Where are my DIY Links?
They all start with GOOD Grounds.
Where are my DIY Links?
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Thank you wil do it tonight and see if it works .
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Splice in a ground on Pin2 (brown) on the connector side give you enough slack so you can remove the connector.
Plump up your cluster connector add a ground.
See: https://www.volkswagenownersclub.com/threads/improving-your-cluster-connections-and-ground.24949/?post_id=753377#post-753377
Plump up your cluster connector add a ground.
See: https://www.volkswagenownersclub.com/threads/improving-your-cluster-connections-and-ground.24949/?post_id=753377#post-753377
What do Divorces, Great Coffee, and Car Electrics all have in common?
They all start with GOOD Grounds.
Where are my DIY Links?
They all start with GOOD Grounds.
Where are my DIY Links?
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I did add a ground to the clusters brown wire aswell . And still only clock comes on
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Take out your rear seat.
Undo the cover over your Tank sender.
Take the plug off the sender, place a 9V Dc battery to the plug. Positive to the violet wire, and negative to the brown. If your gauge moves correctly then you have issue with the sender.
DO NOT REMOVE THE SENDER IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 1/2 of a tank.
IF the gauge doesn't move then you have issues with the violet wire to the cluster, or the gauge.
Take the 9V dc battery and place it directly on the gauge same as I suggested with the water temp. Gauge moves then it is a broke violet wire or the connection between the Fuel Gauge and the connector.
Short out the Violet wire to ground, and then measure for a ring between or 0 ohms between 0 ohms or a ring tone then the issue is the connector and mylar.
Undo the cover over your Tank sender.
Take the plug off the sender, place a 9V Dc battery to the plug. Positive to the violet wire, and negative to the brown. If your gauge moves correctly then you have issue with the sender.
DO NOT REMOVE THE SENDER IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 1/2 of a tank.
IF the gauge doesn't move then you have issues with the violet wire to the cluster, or the gauge.
Take the 9V dc battery and place it directly on the gauge same as I suggested with the water temp. Gauge moves then it is a broke violet wire or the connection between the Fuel Gauge and the connector.
Short out the Violet wire to ground, and then measure for a ring between or 0 ohms between 0 ohms or a ring tone then the issue is the connector and mylar.
What do Divorces, Great Coffee, and Car Electrics all have in common?
They all start with GOOD Grounds.
Where are my DIY Links?
They all start with GOOD Grounds.
Where are my DIY Links?
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Thank you will try it and see if can find the problem
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There is a Low coolant relay in the mix numbered 42.
VW #191919376A
You may want to take the gauge out and look at my fix your flaky water temp gauge, by unsoldering an respldering the connections.
The light could be that if you have a coolant level sender in the middle of the expansion tank may have corroded Contacts they may need to be cleaned with some sand paper.
https://www.volkswagenownersclub.com/threads/repairing-your-flaky-water-temp-gauge.32211/
VW #191919376A
You may want to take the gauge out and look at my fix your flaky water temp gauge, by unsoldering an respldering the connections.
The light could be that if you have a coolant level sender in the middle of the expansion tank may have corroded Contacts they may need to be cleaned with some sand paper.
https://www.volkswagenownersclub.com/threads/repairing-your-flaky-water-temp-gauge.32211/
What do Divorces, Great Coffee, and Car Electrics all have in common?
They all start with GOOD Grounds.
Where are my DIY Links?
They all start with GOOD Grounds.
Where are my DIY Links?
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Thank you do you think that wil be the problem i tried 4 different clusters all the same ?
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Check the back of the cluster.
If the Battery trick directly to the cluster causes the Gauge to move, then it isn't the gauge.
if the Light flickers, and you have the expansion jug coolant level sensor in the middle, then remove it, IIRC it is either a 28mm or 27mm nut to remove it. A pair of slip joint pliers works too remove it.
The tips of the sensor can get scaled up, and you have to clean them. Also if you aren't running a 50/50 blend of AF/Water in your jug they will flicker the light to say the coolant level isn't correct.
I kept my coolant level to the Seam of the jug where the top meets the body.
On some revisions of the jug, the makers didn't drill a small hole at the top of the level sensor hole below the threaded part, this allowed any trapped air to move out, and keep the level sensor equal. The lack of the bleed hole could cause an air bubble to form and prevent the fluid from surrounding the sensor giving a false low condition.
Take your sender wires off the Coolant temp sender, and short it to ground, then measure the input pin to ground to validate that you have 0 OHMs or a ring tone. on t14/y/r.Ig you look at the typical coolant level schematic, the only thing left is either that you have 4 bad gauges inside the clusters, and you need to take them apart and clean the Solder joints. I have had 2 bad ones from the wrecking yard, so it is a common issue or sorts, or your coolant level relay is bad.
If the wire check good from the cluster connector to the sender you may also have a bad connector and need to plump it up, or a bad mylar run from pin 14/4 to the gauge, and you will have splice a wire from the connector loom side to the Gauge itself.
As the normal sender is a Varying Ground to the Gauge.
I can't remember which way is more resistance cold or hot being max.
The Flickering light could be that you have the incorrect gauge for the car. If you don't have the coolant level sensor in the middle of your jug, then you will need to install a resistor between the coolant level input of the cluster to ground to trick the flashing light off.
If the Battery trick directly to the cluster causes the Gauge to move, then it isn't the gauge.
if the Light flickers, and you have the expansion jug coolant level sensor in the middle, then remove it, IIRC it is either a 28mm or 27mm nut to remove it. A pair of slip joint pliers works too remove it.

The tips of the sensor can get scaled up, and you have to clean them. Also if you aren't running a 50/50 blend of AF/Water in your jug they will flicker the light to say the coolant level isn't correct.
I kept my coolant level to the Seam of the jug where the top meets the body.
On some revisions of the jug, the makers didn't drill a small hole at the top of the level sensor hole below the threaded part, this allowed any trapped air to move out, and keep the level sensor equal. The lack of the bleed hole could cause an air bubble to form and prevent the fluid from surrounding the sensor giving a false low condition.
Take your sender wires off the Coolant temp sender, and short it to ground, then measure the input pin to ground to validate that you have 0 OHMs or a ring tone. on t14/y/r.Ig you look at the typical coolant level schematic, the only thing left is either that you have 4 bad gauges inside the clusters, and you need to take them apart and clean the Solder joints. I have had 2 bad ones from the wrecking yard, so it is a common issue or sorts, or your coolant level relay is bad.

If the wire check good from the cluster connector to the sender you may also have a bad connector and need to plump it up, or a bad mylar run from pin 14/4 to the gauge, and you will have splice a wire from the connector loom side to the Gauge itself.
As the normal sender is a Varying Ground to the Gauge.
I can't remember which way is more resistance cold or hot being max.
The Flickering light could be that you have the incorrect gauge for the car. If you don't have the coolant level sensor in the middle of your jug, then you will need to install a resistor between the coolant level input of the cluster to ground to trick the flashing light off.
What do Divorces, Great Coffee, and Car Electrics all have in common?
They all start with GOOD Grounds.
Where are my DIY Links?
They all start with GOOD Grounds.
Where are my DIY Links?
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