unregistered campaign

Bigadd said

Well that last comment of mine seems to have stopped the thread dead in its tracks anyone ??

Bigadd said

I thought maybe somebody off here has alerted Ebay of our concerns and as "The Mk1 Golf Owners Club"  we can prove everthing we say cant we ?

If that is the case it must be pulled as its not what it says its not ???

dubboy said

Bigadd said

I thought maybe somebody off here has alerted Ebay of our concerns and as "The Mk1 Golf Owners Club"  we can prove everthing we say cant we ?

If that is the case it must be pulled as its not what it says its not ???

I have never found anything acutally wrong with the ad apart from it is claiming to be "new". It is not claiming to be originally just a shell (not a complete car), not painted, etc.

What is wrong is people failing to research and bidding.

Who knows what a nice shell is worth?

"THIS IS THE RAREST MK1 GOLF GTI CAMPAIGN IN THE WORLD.  THERE IS NOT ANOTHER UNREGISTERED GOLF ANYWHERE.
THIS CAR IS PRICELESS. THIS IS UNIQUE.  THERE IS NOT ANOTHER ANYWHERE. THIS VEHICLE HAS BEEN FULLY CHECKED BY THE DVLA AND CONFIRMED AS UNREGISTERED.

MK1Junkie said

I can tell you exactly whats happened with this as I know of another shell in the same situation.

JettaGTI said

Well I spoke to the lad and he was only too willing for me to view it, drove 20mins down the road and done what alot of you have failed to do.. speak to the lad on a face to face basis..

The car is indeed solid and the vin number original (more than I can say for alot of the cars at this years shows that opt to remove the panel "for that smooth look")

The documentation he has looks to be genuine as does the lad, he also took the liberty to show me why he is abrupt and slightly peeved off, considering he has ove 600 emails from so called VW experts slagging him and the car off and the fact his phone has been plagued with tyre kickers would suggest why some folk are getting a frosty reception, not to mention the fact he is aware that idiots are killing off what is a genuine sale.

He is not trying to sell a car for the purpose of registering as NEW, he has already looked into this via DVLA and they have informed him the car would be registered on a points basis depending how many of the original parts (and what parts are used) so his intention was to use the bodyshell as a re-shell on another vehicle, the spares he has are NOT from this unregistered vehicle but are from another MK1 GTI (history and all numbers present to be checked) although this is NOT what is on sale.

He is howether selling a bodyshell that for some reason failed to be registered, which is plausable considering I see many Note/micra cars knocking around Nissan everyday that for one reason or another failed to ever leave the factory and used as a run around/sit about for parts etc until such time they are either scrapped or moved on. The process is alot tighter nowadays and these vehicles are nearly always accounted for but when we cleared the old Rover site I personally witnessed 5 un registered mini sportpack bodyshells being recovered by a local mini repair specialist (do you honestly think they were crushed?)

I would say if your genuine and really want to view this car then leave your questions until you are their face to face with the guy as he is sick of pointless conversations over the phone that amount to nothing but a slagging match from members of various "enthusiast" clubs..

weazel said

I know you all like being kept updated so this is what I have done in response to your unmitigated lies!

weazel said

Also Chris Peacock,  you have clearly said you talked to the woman who typed the Heritage Letter

weazel said

also your messages of how to blag the DVLA have been sent to the DVLA.

weazel said

Please,  you do all know that what you are doing is illegal and there are laws to prevent this happening which you are flouting.

x5pea said

GUYS AVOID THIS LIKE THE PLAUGE


I saw this when it first went on ebay and like most i was sceptical about its history, but as an unregistered shell and the misleading info in the add i presume there was a good possibility of being genuine.

I did some digging about and managed to fill in some of the blanks judge for yourself.  Its a long one :mrgreen:

First off it is a 1983 Campaign GTI, in silver, registered 12/8/83

Guy who owns it is Bill Walton but ive also heard the name Mr Ross.

I managed to get the chassis number :wink: and called VW and as the ebay listing said they have no history off this vehicle being registered to a UK Dealer there could be a number of reasons for that a few of which i was offered were it may have been purchased direct from VW by a collector, investor or non VW retailer. When a VW was sent to a dealer back in 1983 once it was sold the selling dealer is attached to the vehicle on what records VW UK kept back in the day.

Everything looks good at this point, so called in a favour from my dealer and got them to do some digging around on the chassis number. Nothing came back other than it left the factory as a built GTI in 1983.

Still looking good, did an HPI on the chassis number and again nothing came back.

At this point im thinking ok new shell, poss stolen back in 83 from the port or dealers before it was registered, stripped for parts then the shell was stored and passed on a few times. So i call DVLA and enquire how would i go about putting it back on the road if its a complete car and never used (which it isnt) it would be require MOT, TAX and Insurance (dont on the chassis number) then they will register at the current date and put it on an 1983  age related plate. However if it is a shell which you are then putting an engine in then it would be registered as a Q plate or if you provide evidence of the date of the engine they will assign a date related plate based on this.

Again im thinking ok, i buy new VAG parts stick an engine in it and blag DVLA to get it reg as a new car (ie dont tell them about the engine), bingo 0 miles 83 campaign reg 2009.

I heard from the forums the guy was looking for 5k for it which i was prepared to pay so tried to arrange an appointment to go and see it. I was on business in Liverpool and live in Scotland so it was easy for me to swing past Bishop Aughton where the car is stored.  I called the number on the listing a few times  (07717215592) no answer and no answer phone to leave a call.

Then i called the number from the other adds on ebay (07795 642696) a breakers yard finaly get to speak to someone. But its only the guys mate and he cant make any decisions and i need to speak to Bill Walton, then he gets very defensive when i start asking questions about the chassis number thows a hissy fit and gets me off the phone.

I call Bill again a few times then send him a txt saying im not wasting his time, i wanna *CENSORED* see it and if im happy and we can agree a price he will get a deposit and i will collect within a few days.

Few hours later im on t he M6 and think i will give it one last try and call the breakers again to see if he has another number for Bill, he apologies by saying hes trying to run a business and getting 100's of calls from people wasting his time about this mk1, which of course is understandable to apology accepted he agrees to try and get a hold of his mate.

I get home to Scotland a few hours later still no call.

I give the guy one last try and send an email via ebay saying im and enthusiast not a time waster, ive got the cash and can i come down on Sunday to view it.

This morning i finally get a call from Bill, AT LAST.

So i ask the usual whats the story with the car, where did you get it, whats the history to try and put together a plausible picture. Seemingly the shell was stored inside under a sheet in a commercial business for 10 year where by the business was sold and the new owner of the business sold the shell to bill (this is really weird as thats a story ive told many times about my first MK1 GTI, but it was a complete car with 20k on it)


All still looking good, my thoughts then move to the originally of the car, from the pics i new it wasnt a good paint job but ive got a mate with a spray booth (eh K33ts  :wink: ) So i wanted to get some info on the condition of the shell my question is is there any sign or use on the shell? at this point the guy throws a hissy fit, so after his rant i said politely that it was it was new in the listing details at the top he gives me a mouthfull of abuse then hangs up on me with F**K OFF.

Im stunned but annoyed so i call back and give him a bit of the old GBH of the ear hole back, and he starts on a rant about people wasting his time. I tell him i know MK1's inside out im not a time waster but hes not going to pull the wool over my eyes with a rotten shell which has had a quick paint. I get told "i will not being selling the car to you, do not call back" and get hung up on.

In summary the shell is not NEW and most prob rotten from the pics, there is no Vin plate on the slam panel in the pic so my thinking is that VW possibility screwed up and assigned the car 2 chassis numbers when it left the factory. One stamped on the car at the drain tray and another for build purposes in the boot floor sticker, the owner has noticed this and removed the details of the other chassis number, if anyone does go to view it id be interested if the chassis number is visible on the drain tray area.

Another possibility is DVLA mix up, probably the chassis number registered one digit out, might have came into the scrap yard and someone noticed when checking the V5 against the car. Either way its a used shell, mileage unknown which will most likley go onto a Q plate.

IMO unless you want to be dodgy its worth less than a rotten GTI shell.

Chris_Eyre said

weazel said

I know you all like being kept updated so this is what I have done in response to your unmitigated lies!

Sorry, and you are portraying yourself as some sort of angel in all this?

You've advertised a car as unique to a market who have then sought to exercise reasonanble diligence over it, and somehow have the cheek to turn the tables when their findings are insufficient to warrant the embellishments in your advert. How telling that?

The facts are that this car has been used, and the shell that remains is a stripped shell, freshly repainted, with no clear evidence of how hard a life it has truly had.

And it appears that someone with a Land Rover parts connection is bidding on the advert. Who is that? Is it safe to assume that person is not connected with yourself. If it is, you are committing fraud, and are sabre rattling by pulling the legal card on others in this conversation.

The car has clearly bypassed the DVLA and UK VW dealers. Therefore by default there are 2 simultaneous admin errors in the UK, or it has been delivered in RHD form elsewhere in the world, and has crept back into the UK without being registered properly.