advertising a car on the site

SEAN1151 said

the front of a jetta isnt same as a mk1 golf is it?

Thats a bit desperate  :wink:

andy77 said

SEAN1151 said

the front of a jetta isnt same as a mk1 golf is it?

Thats a bit desperate  :wink:

its not tho is it? the base of the argument for jettas is theyre a golf with a boot. which isnt true..but a caddy is :wink: .

didnt tin worm eat all the xr3s by 1995?  :wink:
Bert

Hi

In the eighties it was known as a golf with a boot & in my eyes it still is.
cheers
baz

SEAN1151 said

andy77 said

SEAN1151 said

the front of a jetta isnt same as a mk1 golf is it?

Thats a bit desperate  :wink:

its not tho is it? the base of the argument for jettas is theyre a golf with a boot. which isnt true..but a caddy is :wink: .

  ok dude  

bazmk1 said

Hi

In the eighties it was known as a golf with a boot & in my eyes it still is.
cheers
baz

I thank you  

Im sure some folk are having problems understanding things here

1 IF YOU OWN A JETTA YOU CAN BECOME A MEMBER OF THIS CLUB.

2. YOU CAN POST AND ASK QUESTIONS

3 YOU CAN USE THE FORUMS TECHNICAL SECTIONS FOR TECNOLIGY SHARED WITH YOUR JETTA

4 YOU CAN ATTEND CLUB REGIONAL MEETS

5 YOU CAN CLAIM ALL THE CLUB DISCOUNTS ENTITLED TO YOU WHEN YOU PAY YOUR FEES IF YOU WISH.

This hardly sounds like a club that is being discriminatory is it???

your only restrictions are selling your Jetta in the cars for sale section, and if you love your Jetta that much why sell it??
and no guarantee of a place on a club stand at shows

The reason for this is we have 100s of members who have joined this club because they own a Mk1 Golf and they wish to show it with other Mk1 Golfs it would be unfair to allow another type of VW car on the stand, if we are to allow the jetta the same rights as a Mk1 Golf on this site we WOULD have to change the name of the club to the Mk1 Golf & Jetta Owners Club so we would not be seen to be discriminatory.




This club is here to support the VW Mk1 Golf (its why i joined this club) I will not be wanting to join the Jetta owners Club, unless i decide to buy a Jetta.

SEAN1151 said

the front of a jetta isnt same as a mk1 golf is it?

 it is in the US!

SEAN1151 said

the front of a jetta isnt same as a mk1 golf is it?

You're quite right, it's closer to a Westy. So I think US-built Golfs (aka Rabbits) should also be excluded from the site based on this reasoning, as the Rabbit has both a different name AND a different configuration of lights/grille.

You can unbolt a Jetta/Golf front and swap it over. You can't do the same with a Scirocco's panels. Likewise, you can swap rear beams on a Jetta and Golf; try and fit a Caddy's rear suspension to one of the cars…

i kinda agree with richardkc6, However having said that i can understand the stance of the clubs management given that they will want to protect the MK1OC brand from becoming diluted by other makes and modes.

Jetta is a different model there is no disputing that and with a community built around that model there is little reason to offer it for sale on the MK1OC, why not stick it on a Ford Escort Forum?

I dont agree with the caddy's being brought into the fold either and TBH the Cab's given the age ect is a sticky point also.

x5pea said

Jetta is a different model there is no disputing that and with a community built around that model there is little reason to offer it for sale on the MK1OC, why not stick it on a Ford Escort Forum.

IMO, there is a reason to offer it. Apart from the nameplate, it's a Mk 1 Golf with a boot. If VW had chosen to call the car the VW Golf Sedan/2 dr sedan/coupé or the "Golf Classic", there would be retro-freaks clambering overselves to stick syncro running gear (Mk 2 - all syncro conversions should clearly be excluded), 16v and other transplants into low-spec pea-green and brown 2 dr Golf Classics, sorry, Jettas in order to make trendy sleepers - just as some Nova boys loved getting hold of the unloved 2 door saloons and sticking red-top 16v engines in (Nova GSi 2000).

The Jetta forum - and unless I'm having a lot of trouble finding the right results, there's only one relevant - does not cover Mk 1 Jettas exclusively. In fact, it has Golfs in the classifieds, and it covers Jettas, Ventos, Boras and Golfs, particularly as the Golf Variant is a Jetta in some markets.

The Mk 1 Jetta is a Mk 1 A-platform car that shares all of the mechanical parts and a good amount of body engineering, glass, interior and so forth with the Golf. A Mk 1 Jetta owner is going to get considerably better support from this club than they are the Jetta forums in general, largely because the strength of support for the Jetta model tends to focus on the Mk II models.

Do Polo forums differentiate themselves by whether the car is a Polo Classic, Breadvan or Coupé, and indeed, do they allow Polo Classics to be advertised, but not Derbys?

I don't know. Maybe I'm out on the wrong limb here, as clearly suggesting that advertising your different body variation of a car is akin to suggesting that you go advertise a completely unrelated car from a different marque. Maybe the Ford Escort analogy needs to be taken further, and we should say it's like advertising it in a Ford Granada forum - move it out of the market segment entirely.

If the Argentinians had marketed a 2 door VW Golf using a Jetta 2 door bodyshell and called it a Golf, you'd all be peeing yourselves trying to get hold of one. Just stick Golf badges on the damn things and be done with it.

Personally I think the Mk 1 and Caddy support makes sense. I simply think that then going on to exclude the Mk 1 Jetta because of the spurious claims that the car is a different model (it's less different than a Caddy and really, bodywise it's much closer than a Cabby) and it "already has a club" (there are other Golf clubs/forums as well, which don't focus on the Mk 1, so by that logic this group may as well not exist) is really quite silly.

if we are to allow the jetta the same rights as a Mk1 Golf on this site we WOULD have to change the name of the club to the Mk1 Golf & Jetta Owners Club so we would not be seen to be discriminatory.

Rights? RIGHTS? It's a forum. FFS. It's not called the "Mk 1 Golf, Citi, Cabriolet, Rabbit & Caddy Owners Club", is it?

It's a car. It doesn't have "rights". It's an arbitrary decision to exclude a body variant of the same car for no explicable reason aside from having not thought of it at the time. Either accept that "Mk 1 Golf" is a catch-all term for variations of the car originally launched as the Mk 1 Golf in 1974 - which the cabriolet, Caddy and Jetta all are - or make it specifically for Mk 1 Golfs (and I'll have my membership fee back and bugger off to a cabriolet club - reluctantly, because this is a good group). How many members here are cabriolet or caddy owners? I think the survival rate of cabbys probably means there are more floppy than tin-tops currently in regular use.

easy tiger dont go getting all worked up  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

Jetta is a Jetta its not a golf dont matter if its built on the same platform, the mk5 golf was built on the same platform as the A3 dont make it the same car tho………..

I dont like Jettas TBH but if i wanted to buy one id go to the jetta forum as my first place off call, why? cause thats there all the jettas are along with th ejetta owners. I would see ur point if there wasnt a jetta owners club but there is sooooooo why advertise a jetta amongst a core golf enthusiast club seems kinda pointless in my opinion.

I think the point about "rights" was used correct if used in the correct context, fact is this is the MK1 Owners Club if it was up to me i wouldnt have allowed the cab's and caddys into the club, but i can see the argument as to why they should be here. If you dilute the club anymore it will just become a random old VW club.

So in summary Out with the Jettas………they look like ass anyway  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

x5pea said

easy tiger dont go getting all worked up  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

I think you're mistaking "having thought about it, and having a well considered opinion" for "being worked up". The point I'm making is that the Jetta is not merely "built on the same platform" - it's the same car, but with a boot. The Audi A3/New Beetle/Golf IV share a plaform, but they don't share interiors, body panels, market segment. There may be cross-pollination between them, but they aren't "variations on the same car.

Simply rejecting the advertising of a Jetta is meaningless - you might as well reject the people that plainly have just registered to advertise then bugger off again (usually whilst claiming that any bit of a Series II tintop is a "Campaign" part). And you appear to have missed the point about the Jetta owner's club, in that it's about such a diverse range of vehicles that the Mk 1 support is going to be negligible. A Mk 1 Jetta enthusiast is a Mk 1 enthusiast; someone flogging a ragged 1988 Cabrio or a "campaign they found in a barn" is someone flogging an old car.

This is not about "Jetta", this is about "Mk 1 Jetta". Just to emphasise that bit more, Mk 1 Jetta. See? Not "Jettas in general", just as the club doesn't need Mk II Golfs (even though plenty of people here are enthusiasts of both and the later Cabriolets share the same engines/gearboxes).

You see the Jetta as a separate model. I see the Jetta as a variation on the Mk 1, and one that has a lot more in common with the Golf than the Caddy (different floorpan, different rear axle; it has as much in common with a Golf as a VW Fox/Gol/Voyage). Since none of this is going to make any difference to the club, it's a fun debate to have, but I think your objections come down to "it's change and I don't like it". Supporting the Mk 1 Jetta would make absolutely no difference to what the club offers to the existing membership and would provide much better, focused support to the handful of enthusiasts with that now rare variation.

hi folk's, i'm a relativley new member, and i've been following this 'thread', and to be honest i'm getting confused! not with the jetta 'discussion' , but with the underlying thread that the cabby shouldn't be on this site either? Can someone please explain why my car, 85' golf gti cabby, isn't a mk1 golf? did i join the wrong club? am i an unwelcomed member, in some 'fellow member's' eyes?. I have found this site invaluable, and have learned a lot from the people that i've had contact with, the membership letter i recieved seemed to welcome me with open arm's? but i now find it rather disconcerting that there are people on the site, that don't think that i should be a member? i'm thinking some clarity and some honesty is needed here! if this club/forum is only for mk1 tintop's, LET EVERYONE KNOW!!!  :dontknow: keep smilin!, al

almal said

the cabby shouldn't be on this site either?

That was simply my opinion mate and not that of the club.



This debate could go on forever and to be quite honest i dont even care which way it goes i think jettas look like ass and given that its a jetta and not a golf the line i simple….. this is MK1 GOLF Owners Club, not MK1 Golf, Jetta, Cab, Caddy Owners Club. The argument that they share parts dont cut it in my opinion, VW and most German car manufacturers are well know for their re use of parts across the range.

Fact is its got a Jetta badge on it and not a golf its simple really, i do agree with you Richard on the caddy thing tho mate, id not have them infect our club either  :mrgreen:

Mods maybe a change in the banner image might help

x5pea said

This debate could go on forever and to be quite honest i dont even care which way it goes i think jettas look like ass and given that its a jetta and not a golf the line i simple….. this is MK1 GOLF Owners Club, not MK1 Golf, Jetta, Cab, Caddy Owners Club. The argument that they share parts dont cut it in my opinion, VW and most German car manufacturers are well know for their re use of parts across the range.

It's not that they share parts, it's that they share nearly all of the body engineering AND parts. The grille is much like that of a Westy Rabbit (AKA Golf), everything forward of the C-pillar on a four/five door and rear window on a two/three door is the same.

You appear to have an X5, so I'm not entirely convinced that your aesthetic judgement that the "Jetta looks like ass" has any relevance

x5pea said

Fact is its got a Jetta badge on it and not a golf its simple really, i do agree with you Richard on the caddy thing tho mate, id not have them infect our club either  :mrgreen:

Mods maybe a change in the banner image might help

Hands up if you hate Jetta's what?

I think the Caddy should be included. The very fact that the Caddy is (rightly, IMO) included with Mk 1 Golfs despite significant differences in body and market demonstrates that the argument against Jettas is essentially stupid, based on a meaningless prejudice or distinction. There are Caddy clubs, there are Cabriolet clubs - yet the strength of THIS club is that it supports those variants of the Mk 1 and as such has a large pool of expertise, membership and support - because at the end of the day, they're essentially the same vehicles.

Isn't it time we had the TinTop Vs Cabby debate again?

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hi tian, that sounds like an interesting one! you gonna start it? lol, i can't wait! keep smilin, al

can people stop argueing im sick of having to keep clicking the "mark all topics read" button.
its a mk1 golf owners club im happy with that, mk1 golf cabby happy, mk1 caddy ok ill let that slide.
jetta as ive read yes it uses all the golf parts but does it say golf….no.
sorry but wheres the love gone ?

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