advertising a car on the site

"Let's keep these people out!"

"Where's all the love gone".

Mk 1 Golf Cabriolets in the US don't say Golf. They just say "Cabriolet"
Mk 1 Golfs in the US are more commonly badged as "Rabbits"
Citi Golfs have different panels and suspension, and interiors.

It's good that you'll let the Caddy being included slide, I'm sure that's appreciated by the Caddy enthusiasts, but had the club also included Jettas, would you have not joined, not found it as useful or interesting, found it somehow less beneficial to your enthusiasm for the A1 3 and 5 door Golf?

I can't see the problem with letting MK1 Jetta's in the for sale section, how many extra threads will it really make.  Maybe 1 or 2 a month?

Tian said

Roberta Flack - Where Is The Love ???? - YouTube

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bit before my time i think T but much appreciated for the effort anyway lol

"RichardKC6" said

x5pea said

You appear to have an X5, so I'm not entirely convinced that your aesthetic judgement that the "Jetta looks like ass" has any relevance

Always one that gotta go and make it personal you know what they say about assuming mate, X5 is long gone, i just aint bothered updating the picture  :mrgreen:

Tell u what tho ive got one of them new Scirocco's and seen as we have a limited internet foothold and also given that its made by VW and as such shares many thing things with the MK1 such as the badge oh and that its has 4 wheels….. so can we include New Sciroccos in the mk1 GOLF owners club??

My neighbour had just popped in to ask if he can be included with his Range Rover too.

I aint gonna lie guys im liking where this is going, Did anyone see this months Max Power Magazine?

Having had a look at Wikipedia (so not guaranteed 100% fact) to ascertain a few things I stumbled across :

[13]  To distinguish the car from the Golf, interiors were made more upscale in all markets.

So, in conclusion VW themselves wanted it as a stand alone model rather than a 'Golf with a boot'

This was because certain markets didn't want the Golf ie USA because they wanted a boot / sedan version.

Discuss  :mrgreen:

"x5pea" said

RichardKC6 said

x5pea said

You appear to have an X5, so I'm not entirely convinced that your aesthetic judgement that the "Jetta looks like ass" has any relevance

Always one that gotta go and make it personal you know what they say about assuming mate, X5 is long gone, i just aint bothered updating the picture  :mrgreen:

Tell u what tho ive got one of them new Scirocco's and seen as we have a limited internet foothold and also given that its made by VW and as such shares many thing things with the MK1 such as the badge oh and that its has 4 wheels….. so can we include New Sciroccos in the mk1 GOLF owners club??

Don't be daft. The Scirocco is a totally different generation car. Now fine, if you want to base your stance in this debate on whether or not the car says "Golf" on it, then you do that. To suggest that other cars/marques or whatever are somehow validated by the inclusion of another body variation of the Mk 1 Golf merely implies that you don't understand the point I'm making.

How does the Scirocco handle the A7? Have you had a chance to take it down to the Borders?

Having had a look at Wikipedia (so not guaranteed 100% fact) to ascertain a few things I stumbled across :

[13] To distinguish the car from the Golf, interiors were made more upscale in all markets.

So, in conclusion VW themselves wanted it as a stand alone model rather than a 'Golf with a boot'

This was because certain markets didn't want the Golf ie USA because they wanted a boot / sedan version.

The interiors were not made "upscale"; the Jetta just got the Series II instruments from the outset; the specifics mentioned are "sill to sill carpeting" which Golfs have, and "velour interiors" which are market dependent; most Euro Jettas have exactly the same interior as a Golf of the same trim level.

FWIW, the article also cites that the Jetta was built to expand on the Golf's success, offering it to markets that preferred a three-box configuration to a hatchback. The Golf was a great success in the USA. Having said that, again with the "exclusivity" angle - if the Golf hadn't been a success, and therefore a three-box Golf HAD to be designed to sell it in that market and not offered in Europe, people would be going mad for them here as the "rare saloon Golf from the USA" - just like Renault people are really rather taken by the Renault 7.

So it was a popcorn overdose that did it for the King of Pop. Bet that doctor's relieved now it looks like he's in the clear.

Back to the original discussion, why's the Scirocco a different generation car???

The Mk1 Scirrocco was released in 1974, 6 months before the Golf to resolve any issues / teething problems before the Golf was released. So going off that should we all try and blag our way onto the Scirrocco forums???

MMmmmmmmm  :dontknow:

A5OPY said

There is nothing stopping anyone even if they own a ford XR3 from becoming a member of this club.

Anyone with any of the Mks in question can view all the technical topics of this site to gain knowledge on the bits their cars share with the MK1.

Anyone regardless of ownership of a vehicle can post questions on sections of the site if its none Mk1 Golf related it goes into Gen Chat.

The only restrictions on this site for those who don't own a MK1 are

A guaranteed place on a club stand at shows.

To Advertise your None Mk1 in the cars for sale section (the reason for this is it would open the door to anyone selling anything, including an XR3)

so if you struggle with these very few and simple rules please find a Club that suits your needs.





IF you own a VW Mk1 Golf welcome to a very exclusive club..

And I hope we can keep it this way (Its good to be different than all the other clubs out there, isn't it?)

EVEN IF THEY OWN AN XR3  ?????
EVEN IF THEY ARE SELLING AN XR3 ??????????

YOU ARE BEING XR'IST Andy

 Where do i stand then ???

 I'm a member with a mk1 gti and the very said XR3…….

P.S HOW JULES MATEY ??

kavlfc said

So it was a popcorn overdose that did it for the King of Pop. Bet that doctor's relieved now it looks like he's in the clear.

Back to the original discussion, why's the Scirocco a different generation car???

The Mk1 Scirrocco was released in 1974, 6 months before the Golf to resolve any issues / teething problems before the Golf was released. So going off that should we all try and blag our way onto the Scirrocco forums???

If you mean about this - "Tell u what tho ive got one of them new Scirocco's " - it's a NEW Scirocco. Therefore it's not remotely based on (or the basis for) a Mk 1 Golf or any of the variants. It's got no connection to a Mk 1 Golf beyond being a FWD watercooled VW.

Personally, I don't see any issue with Mk 1 or II Sciroccos either. However, I can see the justification for excluding them as a separate car - they're a sporting coupé, they share no external panels or internal architecture with the Mk 1 Golf. They're not a variation on the "Golf", they're a variation of the Golf's platform (and more accurately the Golf is a relative of the Scirocco, but it's more likely the two cars were developed in parallel).

ok so we have agreed that Jettas are now allowed along with MK1, MK2 and of course the New (mk3) scirocco's but what about my neighbours Range Rover  :dontknow:

Scirocco was born off the back of the Golf as a replacement to the Karmann Ghia. The Scirocco was released earlier than the Golf to iron out any issues prior to the release of the Golf . . . . . . . . . . . .

As for new the Scirrocco having no connection to the Mk1 Golf I disagree (mildly) :
Mk1 Golf - Mk1 Scirocco - New Scirocco there's a family tree so to speak

kavlfc said

Mk1 Golf - Mk1 Scirocco - New Scirocco there's a family tree so to speak

Maybe a graphical representation would work better in Tree form

From this . . .



Came this . . .



To this . . .




QED

They are all different VW designated models based on A1 platform:

14 = Caddy
15 = Cabrio
16 = Jetta
17 = Golf
53 = Scirocco

To say a Jetta is more of a Golf than a Scirocco based on panels is stupid. Jetta is a completely different shell and panels.

The club is not excluding anyone with a Jetta. It has made some rules to simply to allow fairness for Golf owners and also help the people that run the club (who lets remember do this in their own time and therefore deserve respect of their judgement) have a common understanding. A line has to be drawn somewhere and it can't please everyone but made in the best interest of the club. For example at regional meets people bring all sorts of machinery and that's fine because we are all Golf enthusiasts in the end.

RichardKC6 said

Personally, I don't see any issue with Mk 1 or II Sciroccos either. However, I can see the justification for excluding them as a separate car - they're a sporting coupé, they share no external panels or internal architecture with the Mk 1 Golf. They're not a variation on the "Golf", they're a variation of the Golf's platform (and more accurately the Golf is a relative of the Scirocco, but it's more likely the two cars were developed in parallel).

Neither does the Jetta so by your arguement they can't be included.

Sorry but the Golf was developed way before the Scirocco. The first intention was to produce a mass market hatchback to replace the Beetle, not a niche market coupe built in relatively small numbers. First protos were in the mid-60s, first coupe protos were not until the 70s  :wink:

Well said Rajan, a man who can detail it in data compared to my 'borrowed' piccies   bearing in mind this thread started regarding whether or not a Mk1 Jetta could be sold on here rather than whether Jetta owners were welcome, everyone's welcome regardless of what they drive (unless it's a pimped Corsa  :x )

Possible idea open for further discussion.

I'm assuming the original for sale post was put up because the owner was hoping someone on here would appreciate the vehicle for what it is 'a classic VW'. By advertising on here they were hoping it would go to a loving owner who would cherish, nurture and supercharge it   extending it's already long life. Can't knock them for that, better than whacking it in the AutoTrader then having a spotty yoof turning up asking how many margarine tubs it'd take to make it look like a Subaru / Evo / Clio  8O

So, could we not have a Non Mk1 Golf VAG for sale section for members and forum users alike BUT there would be a charge for the advert??

Members £2.50
Non Members £5.00

Ads would be valid for 30 days and if not sold could post for another 30 days for the same price  :dontknow:  :dontknow:

Alot cheaper than AutoTrader, Ebay etc etc etc

I may be talking bobbins and feel free to let me know but just a thought, I have them occassionally  

Could also bring a few extra dollars into the Club

Chris

Dubboy,you have confused me now,if as you say vw built, on the a 1 platform, the 5,seperate different designated models,why do two have the word golf in there model name,(not being argumentive), :redfaced:  :dontknow:

dubboy said

They are all different VW designated models based on A1 platform:

14 = Caddy
15 = Cabrio
16 = Jetta
17 = Golf
53 = Scirocco

To say a Jetta is more of a Golf than a Scirocco based on panels is stupid. Jetta is a completely different shell and panels.

Completely different? So you can't fit a Jetta bonnet, front wings, doors, windscreen, scuttle, floorpan sections ahead of the rear beam, inner wings, etc. to a Golf 5/3dr without extensively modifying them? I mean, really, what MAKES a car other than the mechanical configuration (which the Scirocco shares) and the overall design?

Fair enough. Despite having the type numbers RIGHT THERE giving the differentiation (all the Golf derivatives have a 1 in front of their type). I can't decide if people are arguing for the sake of it, or if I'm missing something really flaming obvious, but it's pretty clear to me that the Jetta is a Golf derivative and the Scirocco is a platform derivative - just as I'm quite able to tell that a new Scirocco is in no way related to a Mk 1 anything from VW. I mean, I have eyes, and I can see that a Jetta is a Golf with a bit stuck on the end and a grille similar to the USA-market Golf. I don't understand why this escapes other people's notice.

The 1960s prototypes for the Golf weren't Golfs. They were attempts to make the Brasilia smaller, were aircooled and many were rear-engined. Quite apart from the fact that I was only rephrasing to reflect the launch of the vehicles for the hard of thinking to attempt to avoid more stupid strawman arguments.