Heavy steering - lessons learnt
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Old Timer
Heavy steering - lessons learnt
(edited - keyboard can't type today !!)
Sequence of events……….
When we bought the Clipper automatic one shock needed replacing (leaking badly).
New set of tyres fitted all round.
Ever since then the ride was rather 'firm' at the front, as though it was slammed to the ground, and the steering VERY heavy.
Camber and tracking reset, steering still heavy.
Steering rack checked - perfect.
With the car on ramps and then jacked up - all bushes and mounts checked (in situ - no nasty movements - everything nice and tight)
Swapped wheels (Sportlines are ET 33 !!, 'P' slots ET38) NO DIFFERENCE.
Swapped back, noticed one front tyre wearing heavily on the inside !!
Recheck and readjust camber and tracking.
Rear wheels put on front.
Tried different pressures in front tyres - steering STILL a nightmare.
Checked camber and tracking again - had to readjust AGAIN. (Did we hit THAT many potholes - but you try missing them round our way !!!)
The GTI, in this time had done more mileage over the same roads, hardly any wear on tyres, and steering light (for a Mk1).
Considered fitting power steering - COST !!!!!
Getting despondent.
Last MOT due - offside front tyre rapidly worn out on inside, and a strange groaning noise appeared from the front when going very slowly over rough surfaces and stopping on smooth surfaces. Steering is now ULTA heavy, and turning circle greatly reduced !!!!
Had enough now…………… - replace both front shocks, bump stops (one split) and both top mounts (and one front tyre).
Now steers light as a feather, turning circle is back and rides smoother than the GTI !!!!!
One shock was 'seizing', and had totally wrecked the top mount - although stationary the mount seemed ok!!!!????!!!!! When camber (and tracking) were adjusted the first sharp turn of the wheel upset the whole issue again.
Moral of the story……..always replace shocks in pairs and think about new top mounts (cheap), …..and ….. DON'T GIVE UP.
In hindsight I suppose it should have been obvious !!!
Now seriously considering selling the GTI again (using the clutch in traffic is a nightmare sometimes with my back and leg). I've had my GTI Cabby, I've had my fun, and we still have the Clipper which is a real dream to drive now.
Owning a Mk1 cabby is a vertical learning curve…
1989 Mk1 Clipper 1.8 automatic - Sadly now up for sale - medical issues dictate)
1999 (Nov) Passat S Saloon 1.9 TDI (AFN) - TUG 1 (Remap by CCC ( - **** …..change pants !!) with cruise control
2000 (Mar) Passat Sport Estate 1.9 TDI (ATJ) 5 speed automatic with Tiptronic - TUG 2 (Remap and cruise control by CCC)
1989 Mk1 Clipper 1.8 automatic - Sadly now up for sale - medical issues dictate)
1999 (Nov) Passat S Saloon 1.9 TDI (AFN) - TUG 1 (Remap by CCC ( - **** …..change pants !!) with cruise control
2000 (Mar) Passat Sport Estate 1.9 TDI (ATJ) 5 speed automatic with Tiptronic - TUG 2 (Remap and cruise control by CCC)
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Old Timer
The heavy steering on my cab was due to spacers missing inside the top mounts, this meant that the top mount wore a notch in the top of the strut insert! This obviously made the steering heavy. I changed both top mounts, inserts, bump stops and all the washers and spacers.
Last Saturday I changed my steering rack which has also made a HUGE difference to the handling and has made the steering a bit lighter too. I thought the camber was still out of alignment after having it adjusted but changing the rack has stopped it finding pot holes too.
The clutch is really stiff on my cab but fine on my tin top. Its not the cable so I'm thinking its an extra stiff clutch return spring. One of these days I'll get round to having a look!
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Old Timer
The heavy steering on my cab was due to spacers missing inside the top mounts
Yep, exactly the same as mine. Spacers a couple of quid from VW!
Peter.
1980 1600 GTI, daily driver.
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Local Hero
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Local Hero
crazyquiff said
Very heavy steering on my lowered black Campaign. Changed top mounts and sorted.
Also reverted back to standard suspension all round to stop my teeth shattering
You wouldn't think the top mounts would make that much difference! I'm looking to go back to standard suspension later this year. What exactly do I need to buy if not silly question?! ops: At present I've got bilstein (Spelling) shocks/springs car is approx. 40mm lower than standard.
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Local Hero
That's it.
I'd make sure you have new rear lower shock bolts as you'll probably shear at leat one on removal. Oh and might be worth getting some rear spring top cups also as these rust like hell.
Also make sure you have all the correct spacers and stuff when you do the strip down.
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Local Hero
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The trouble with doing nothing is that you never know when you are finished.
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Andy
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1962 Rover P4 80
2002 BMW 745i
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1962 Rover P4 80
2002 BMW 745i
2008 BMW Z4 2.5Si
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