Repositioning the brake master cylinder & servo?

Does anyone have any experience  or ideas how I could reposition the brake master cylinder and servo to directly behind the brake pedal on the bulkhead?

I've seen some people have removed the servo and just installed the master cylinder but I've never read how this is done.
Obviously mk2 Golfs have the servo and master cylinder in this location and so do mk3 Polo's (to quote a few) so I would have thought someone would have tried this in the past but I cant seem to find anything.

The only other option I can see to neaten up the bay is a pedal box but I'm not too sure who does these anymore and maybe a little extreme for what I was after with my mk1.


If anyone can shed any light on the options available  to neaten up this side of things in the engine bay I'd be very grateful.

I was just reading about this

found this

http://www.clubgti.com/showthread.php?255300-mk1-gti-brake-bias-pedal-box


http://www.golfmk1.co.uk/Items.php?cat=modparts&group=MODPARTS

I have also considered this recently due to a sever lack of space over that side of the engine bay. Apparently to do the pedal box conversion is about £600.

I've already got a pedal box for my other mk1 (long term project) but the more I'm thinking about this I think its the way to go with this car too.
I've seen that Crazy Quiffs now make them so I guess I should start saving.
I suppose I might as well do the job properly.

I think the CQ one is mega money mate. I've been told there are cheaper out there

The one I've got already was from Martin (Mickey Marrows) when he did a group buy on Edition 38 years ago. The reason I need another/ or an alternative is that the car I'm on with now doesnt need a Hydraulic clutch and the one I have is made for that.

Check out the link

http://www.clubgti.com/showthread.php?237726-Mk1-golf-rocco-pedal-bias-box-GB

I quite like the look of this one………

http://www.tjmotorsport.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=PB04MK1

to get rid of my servo althogether.I am a little confused what M/C I would need though. Anyone shed any light. I am going to be running Wilwoods at the front and mk2 discs with mk3 calipers at the readr Cheers..

The above looks decent! I vote somebody offers them a group buy  

I wanna do away with my servos lol

Could be an option mate. Need to clarify with JonP later if it would be suitable for my requirements and then perhaps we can sort something out. I am guessing you would definately be interested??

Looks like reserviors are extra too.

Yeah I'm interested lol. Try get us some discounts or so, if not I'm sure I can wait a while 

The problem with that box is that its still quite bulky and its still going in the bay.

I've copied the following from page 5 on the link I posted

Master cylinders, you have three choices of manufacturer:

Girling
Wilwood (260-60**)
AP (CP6093 PRT110 or CP2623 PRT115)

They double in price as you go down that list! (the AP2623 are, however, beautiful pieces of kit)

For brakes I recommend starting with 0.625" (15mm) front and 0.70" rear regardless of caliper used.
For clutch I recommend 0.75" (19mm) in conjuction with large bore lines. Remember with the clutch you need to move a large volume of fluid, 3/16" lines can cause clutch drag.

For brakes bigger is NOT better. If you need more power then drop a size.

For the small stock mk1 calipers try the 0.625" on the front, if you feel you need it the CP2623 is available in 14mm bore. However with the new 6:1 pedal ratio 0.625 should be spot on.

Start with the bias bar centred and be careful who's advice you read on bias bars, theres conflicting info out there on the internet.

The use of remote or integral reserviors is up to you, I have both, just remember how flammable brake fluid is.

Ok so MrLong you would want one that fits in the car itself and incoroporates the clutch??

I would really only need the one above for my brakes to remove the servo to give me more room to route pipework and for asthetics.

Brad. said

Yeah I'm interested lol. Try get us some discounts or so, if not I'm sure I can wait a while 

Brad,

How long can you wait matey? I am going to work on my car on Sunday so will have an answer then as to wehter I am definately going down this route or not.

smudger1980 said

Ok so MrLong you would want one that fits in the car itself and incoroporates the clutch??

I would really only need the one above for my brakes to remove the servo to give me more room to route pipework and for asthetics.

No I only need one that does the brakes but the one on that link & Crazy Quiffs do the option for brakes only or brakes and hydraulic clutch. Brakes only is cheaper.

The other option I was thinking of was just a master cylinder in the bay directly linked to the pedal like Jason Buckley had on his yellow 16v (that was for sale recently).

MR_LONG said

smudger1980 said

Ok so MrLong you would want one that fits in the car itself and incoroporates the clutch??

I would really only need the one above for my brakes to remove the servo to give me more room to route pipework and for asthetics.

No I only need one that does the brakes but the one on that link & Crazy Quiffs do the option for brakes only or brakes and hydraulic clutch. Brakes only is cheaper.

The other option I was thinking of was just a master cylinder in the bay directly linked to the pedal like Jason Buckley had on his yellow 16v (that was for sale recently).

I seem to remember that, that option doesn't give great braking power and would one of the first things he would change? I could be wrong though.

I'll make a decision at the weekend and go from there.

I skim read and thougt it was a pedal box that stays in car. I can wait a while tbh not even started on mine yet. 

Brad. said

I skim read and thougt it was a pedal box that stays in car. I can wait a while tbh not even started on mine yet. 

No it seems to go in place of the standard one but removes the need for the round servo which is causing me my current problems.

My net bought G60 does not have a servo and just the master cylinder set on the bulkhead with standard brakes. 

I have just out TSR 270 mm discs with standard calliper and they work better but need a servo as the brake feel is naff.