Engine sluggish
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[Suggestions so far have been a sensor not working? Injector issue?] Thanks.
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Local Hero
Super unleaded is best for the GTi.
How long and how many miles have you done in the car?
How old is the spark plugs, HT leads, dissy cap, rotor arm.
Did you change the cambelt and are all the timing mark lined up properly?
1988 Mk1 Golf GTi Cabriolet 1.8cc DX, K-jet. Daily drive. 317,000 miles and counting
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
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Good place for hard to find stuff.
http://www.vwspares.co.uk/g1electrical.php
I would change the cam belt and tensioner, they will degrade over time and for the cost of a new belt its worth it. Conti belts is what I fit.
https://www.carparts4less.co.uk/timing-belt
https://www.carparts4less.co.uk/tensioners-idlers-and-dampers
I would also check the timing and what was the CO setting, they usually give you a print out when they MOT the car?
1988 Mk1 Golf GTi Cabriolet 1.8cc DX, K-jet. Daily drive. 317,000 miles and counting
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
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So what I would do even before the above is take it out having checked all the levels and drive it hard on the motorway.
Don't be scared drive it for a good 100 miles round trip, rev it hard through the gears after it's warmed up.
Leave it overnight and see how it behaves the next day, you just might be surprised and as many of us can vouch for, these engines are near bomb proof and seem to like being pushed.
They' were not built to compete with a slug carrying some heavy shopping home!
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Thanks for all the help - When starting up this morning I noticed that the oil light, very dim, lit up for about 5 mins?? Its got a new filter/oil and i've checked oil level tonight all ok, any ideas why this came on?
The sluggish -ness, is hard to describe, but the car is fine for driving around, but when you want to push on, its not there, like the old twin carbs, mine is missing the second one?? It used to take off when you put your foot down?
When it was getting the work done and the MOT, I noticed that it was running very rich, showing up on the meter, the mechanic fiddled with a little screwdriver to lean off the idle, I think?
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I cleaned up the contacts on the oil pump and oil light no longer lights up on start up
The engine started first turn this morning and sounded good,
Took it for 80 mile trip and it still feels sluggish, something is not quite right?? I noticed two things, 1- it 'pinks' a lot up hills and 2- its smells rich on idle???
I'm confused, anyone have any ideas? Thanks
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Local Hero
Dont touch the mixture yet, you need to get the timing done but make sure all the electrical stuff like HT leads etc are in tip top condition then timing, then mixture and idle speed.
oh yes, new air filter or invest in a K&N panel filter which looks like the paper one but lasts years and will pay for it self over time before touching the mixture as a dirty air filter will affect the mixture.
Last edit: by mark1gls
1988 Mk1 Golf GTi Cabriolet 1.8cc DX, K-jet. Daily drive. 317,000 miles and counting
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
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will get timing checked next.
it has a new filter in, I'm sure it was Foam type, but have another check and look.
The idle was just under 1000 rpm, the is a little white line on rev counter, it was on that.
I think I will try a new dizzy cap by beru, just to see what happens?
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1988 Mk1 Golf GTi Cabriolet 1.8cc DX, K-jet. Daily drive. 317,000 miles and counting
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
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Could this be the source of my troubles? I am going to replace the leads now that I think this may be a problem, was going to get Bosch or Beru, but I cant find either on the web. Anyone know where I can obtain?
thanks
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Local Hero
There's later type with a pin in the middle and the early type with no pin, they look the same on the outside but have a different way to connect the leads.
If photobucket was not being a pain I could post up a picture..found an old post, hopefully you can see the pictures?
https://vwgolfmk1.org.uk/forum/index.php?page=topicview&id=big-block-carb-engines_2%2Fdizzy-cap
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1988 Mk1 Golf GTi Cabriolet 1.8cc DX, K-jet. Daily drive. 317,000 miles and counting
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
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Anyways now on the hunt for new leads, any ideas?
thanks.
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Spark plug ends do not really matter as you can unscrew the cap or screw the cap back on depending on what's on the end of the lead.
Could be your problem of a poor connection making a weak spark.
Found this set on eBay, they are for cars with no pin on coil and dissy cap, spark plugs you need to unscrew the cap so the thread is showing on the end.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-GOLF-Mk1-Mk2-HT-Leads-Ignition-Cables-Set-74-to-84-Bosch-171998031B-Quality-/232465561163?fits=Model%3AGolf&hash=item362006f64b:g:u24AAOSw-81ZolPG
Last edit: by mark1gls
1988 Mk1 Golf GTi Cabriolet 1.8cc DX, K-jet. Daily drive. 317,000 miles and counting
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
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Came across a Beru set Ref: 0300890432 which appear to be the ones?
Yes the link that you sent also seem to be them, which are the better ones to go for, I suspect they are both more or less the same?
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They have been on the car for about 9 months and have been working fine together.
1988 Mk1 Golf GTi Cabriolet 1.8cc DX, K-jet. Daily drive. 317,000 miles and counting
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
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I did leave it for 5 years before changing the leads on my Mk1 Scirocco and I did notice the difference in starting and driving the car.
1988 Mk1 Golf GTi Cabriolet 1.8cc DX, K-jet. Daily drive. 317,000 miles and counting
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
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Have fitted the genuine Bosch rotor arm and dizzy cap, (found them on Ebay) and eventually the HT leads arrived from Germany, took ages to get here, Beru, which match the fitted originals that I still had in the cupboard. Just taken the car for run and the pinking seems to have gone!!
When I started the engine today, from cold, the engine kept dying when I pressed the accelerator, once warmed it had a lumpy idle but revved. It still seems to be rich? My next plan is to get the timing checked and maybe the mixture? Any thoughts as to next step?
Thanks
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Old Timer
first thing I would do is change the fuel filter and if no better do an injector test to see if they are spraying, you could try putting some injector cleaner in first.
if all that is ok then I would get the co % checked at a garage to see what its running at, it is adjusted with a 3mm allen key in the hole in the metering head
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