Brake drum woes
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Won't slide back on hub
Final few bits of my Campaign recto - refitted new pads, new cylinder and new spring kit on the rear brakes with a new drum too.
Now drum is extremely tight to the point it won't go on - even with a light tapping from rubber mallet.
Thought it was all self adjusting - checked the set up - all seems ok 🤔
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Now drum is extremely tight to the point it won't go on - even with a light tapping from rubber mallet.
Thought it was all self adjusting - checked the set up - all seems ok 🤔
Cars having to spend first night outside 😄
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You have the shoes on maximum adjustment there, push the wedge with the spring upward and sq ueeze the shoes together..
it's better to make a manual adjustment on them when all built up, you'll need a small pointed shaft, ( small Phillips screwdriver works ) and go in through a wheel stud hole, line up the open hole with the hole the spring is in, have someone press the brake and flick the wedge down, you may need a torch to locate the adjuster. Do both sides like this and your rear brakes should be pretty well adjusted and balanced
it's better to make a manual adjustment on them when all built up, you'll need a small pointed shaft, ( small Phillips screwdriver works ) and go in through a wheel stud hole, line up the open hole with the hole the spring is in, have someone press the brake and flick the wedge down, you may need a torch to locate the adjuster. Do both sides like this and your rear brakes should be pretty well adjusted and balanced
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Thanks for that - I'll have a look tomorrow
Thought something amiss ☺️
Cheers
Thought something amiss ☺️
Cheers
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Local Hero
As above unadjust the adjuster to get the drum on and then use a bradawl type tool to pull the adjuster down.
Have the handbrake cables wound off in the cabin and then adjust those after adjusting the brakes.
Its amazing how much slack it can take up in the sytem, I'm sure half the complaints about MK1 brakes are due to the rear drums taking half the pedal travel before they start doing anything.
Have the handbrake cables wound off in the cabin and then adjust those after adjusting the brakes.
Its amazing how much slack it can take up in the sytem, I'm sure half the complaints about MK1 brakes are due to the rear drums taking half the pedal travel before they start doing anything.
1983 Mars Red 1.8 Golf GTI
1987 Alpine White 1.8 Clipper Cabriolet
The trouble with doing nothing is that you never know when you are finished.
1987 Alpine White 1.8 Clipper Cabriolet
The trouble with doing nothing is that you never know when you are finished.
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Adjusted the brake shoes as suggested
The drum now fits fine - thanks for your help
The drum now fits fine - thanks for your help
MK1 Golf GTi Campaign:Alpine White, Vauxhall Omega MV6, Alpina B10 3.3 Touring, Dolomite Sprint, MG ZT V6, Volvo T5 R estate
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Local Hero
Brake drum woes
Your adjuster is right at the bottom so that’s why you can’t get the drums on.
Make sure you have the adjuster on the right way with the little tab facing the back plate.
I think you also need to twist around the end of the brake cylinder facing the front of the car so the little tab keeps the shoe in place, if you look at the other end of the cylinder you can see the tab.
Picture of where the adjuster should be, notice the adjuster spring is fully out.
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Make sure you have the adjuster on the right way with the little tab facing the back plate.
I think you also need to twist around the end of the brake cylinder facing the front of the car so the little tab keeps the shoe in place, if you look at the other end of the cylinder you can see the tab.
Picture of where the adjuster should be, notice the adjuster spring is fully out.
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Thanks Mark1gls
I've done just that and it's worked - drum fitted ok
Hadn't realised the adjuster was wrong setting
Cheers
I've done just that and it's worked - drum fitted ok
Hadn't realised the adjuster was wrong setting
Cheers
MK1 Golf GTi Campaign:Alpine White, Vauxhall Omega MV6, Alpina B10 3.3 Touring, Dolomite Sprint, MG ZT V6, Volvo T5 R estate
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Local Hero
Glad you managed to work it out. They are a pain to fit and lots of levering and pulling to get the springs on.
1988 Mk1 Golf GTi Cabriolet 1.8cc DX, K-jet. Daily drive. 317,000 miles and counting
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.
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mark1gls said
Glad you managed to work it out. They are a pain to fit and lots of levering and pulling to get the springs on.
You can get fancy pliers to help with that, but where's the fun in that eh! First job I ever did on a car was replace rear drums. Made a right mess of it and my old man had to sort it all out. Still I learnt some lessons and 2 years later was replacing clutches and head gaskets.
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To be honest, this cheap tool is worth every penny while doing brake shoes
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Silverline-Car-Exhaust-SPRING-HOOK-Puller-Removal-Installation-Tool-Brake-416746-/143741846267?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Silverline-Car-Exhaust-SPRING-HOOK-Puller-Removal-Installation-Tool-Brake-416746-/143741846267?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
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Local Hero
I assemble the shoes, brackets and springs off the car so they aren't under so much tension and do-able. Then using a big screw driver lever the shoes onto the cylinder and bottom post. The tricky bit is the hand brake cable, unwinding it all the off gives just enough slack for you to be able to pull on it to the lever on the shoe.
I've just renewed on my GTI 20 years after I restored it it (leaking cylinders)
If I was doing it more often I'd def get one of those tools
I've just renewed on my GTI 20 years after I restored it it (leaking cylinders)
If I was doing it more often I'd def get one of those tools
1983 Mars Red 1.8 Golf GTI
1987 Alpine White 1.8 Clipper Cabriolet
The trouble with doing nothing is that you never know when you are finished.
1987 Alpine White 1.8 Clipper Cabriolet
The trouble with doing nothing is that you never know when you are finished.
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Local Hero
jakethepeg007 said
To be honest, this cheap tool is worth every penny while doing brake shoes
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Silverline-Car-Exhaust-SPRING-HOOK-Puller-Removal-Installation-Tool-Brake-416746-/143741846267?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
Well I have probably more experience with springy thing than most. I used to repair 1886 -1934 Adding machines and cash registers, I have a whole assortment of spring pulls and spring pushers, but usually on my cars, I opt for pair of Vice-Grip pliers and a large screw driver… Never been an issue.
I too assemble on a table.
I usually take a before pic so I get it back together correctly.
So my knowledge wont be lost.
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