Should we have a register for the Caddy?

As above! Comments please!

Cheers,

Drew.

I did this one already see here

http://www.vwgolfmk1.o…pic&t=592&highlight=jetta

IMO if Caddy is included then Jetta must be too as the two have exactly the same relation and existing web support to the Golf (the Jetta slightly closer being a Type 17 and built in the same factory).

Cheers
Rajan

I'm still a bit wary of a clash with the uk based jetta owners club on this point though. I haven't spoken to them about this, but I think they might take a dim view of us creating a register and potentially pinching members from them when we're a full club.

Worth asking I guess! I'll make contact with the jetta club and see what they say.

I also specifically want to avoid running into the 'what about sciroccos/polos/passat/' argument too.

I guess the same argument applies for Golf3/Vento and Golf4/Bora too. But I do tend to see these as separate cars. Looking at the Caddy it is clearly a pickup version of a mk1 golf, the front panels being identical, whereas the Jetta is different. However, the US rabbit is also different, but arguably a mk1 golf….

Cheers,

Drew.

I thought the web based club you referred to last time was run in the US? Did not know of a UK club!

The Caddy has less technical relationship to the Golf than the Jetta. Hence different Type coding, different factory and different parts catalogue. I think you have to look past the front headlights (incidentally same as a Beetle!) and into the body super and understructure, plus rear suspension (leaf springs, stub axles, brake drums, etc).

The front panels for the later Euro Cab and US versions are different to a Euro Golf but that does not mean we exclude them.

Cheers
Rajan

Jetta Owners Club is in the UK, it's been advertised in Uk magazines a few times in the last year. Caters for all 'Jettas' Mk1,Mk2, Vento and Bora and is biased towards the modifying scene.  It's a .com website, but a UK org.

http://www.jettaownersclub.com/index1.htm

I have posted a message on their forum. We'll see what they say…

Cheers,

Drew.

OK, my error on the web side  ops: . Good action!

Why oh why oh why…

is there no Golf Van Register!  :wink:

I think we should keep it straight Golf! No jettas or caddies.

Rajan did you see the white golf van forsale on ebay a while back? It's the only one I've seen. It was a bit of a rust bucket judging from the pics but I would love a Van project. It would make an awesome basis for a track day car!

Well thats my next project……. if I ever find one again! :cry:

I've seen a light blue Mk1 Golf van before - I guess if you had to have a van…

Telling someone who owns a Mk1 Golf Caddy to go to a Jetta regsiter is a little harsh isn't it?  On the 1984 motorshow stand the Caddy was displayed on the same part of the stand as the Mk1 Cabriolet and the new Mk2 Golf.  Surely arguing it shouldn't be included because it shares it chassis with the Jetta is just going to put people who own Mk1 Caddys backs up and alienate them.

Lets not forget that there was a GTI version and that some very serious Mk1 Golf enthuiasts own and prise these motors - to tell them we are not interested in their Mk1 Golf won't win us any support from the wider VW community…

Let's get this straight the Caddy is not a Golf it is a Caddy, that's a fact. No problem for me to include them if that's what the majority want, but as the Jetta (and Van) is more closely related and does not have an existing register then it should have one too.

Also if we include Caddy's then that also means the latest van versions which are even less related to the Golf then the first pick up versions (as the name of the club would no longer be related to the models it covered, i.e. Golf)

Cheers
Rajan

Guys you take this stuff way too seriously.......

In my opinion…………..

The Mk1 Golf hatchback and Cabriolets are Golfs………..
The Mk1 Golf Caddy is a Golf….look at the brochures……..and should have it's register included………
The Mk1 Golf Van is a Golf……look at the brochures…….and should have it's register included………

………all part and parcel of the original' Golf family, and should be included !!
FINAL !!!!!

As said in the above posts the Jetta has it's own Club and site, and as they explain on their site, it was a 'saloon' version ("Golf with a Boot"), introduced in the last years of the Mk1. And it did NOT look like a Golf !

My views anyway, I,m going back to building my wall !!

Also if we include Caddy's then that also means the latest van versions which are even less related to the Golf then the first pick up versions (as the name of the club would no longer be related to the models it covered, i.e. Golf)

Not it doesn't.  We are a register for Mk1 Golfs - that doesn't mean we HAVE to accept registrations from the later Golfs such as the current Mk5 does it?  So all we do is accept registrations from Mk1 Golf Caddy pickup owners - simple as that…

As I said, the Caddy is NOT a Golf (it does not say "Golf" on the car, different Type, different Parts Catalogue, different Factory, etc). So our club name would not exactly represent the models we cover, leaving interpretation open.

Regarding looks, if I put a Jetta front end on my Golf does that mean I cannot join?

Also the Caddy was introduced after the Jetta and Cab versions!

And the Caddy has it's own Forum http://www.vwcaddyforum.com/

I just think Caddy and Jetta should be on the same level, both in or both out. Most of the tech info on here applies to both anyway and the owners are like-minded.

Cheers
Rajan

The Jetta thing is an interesting question.  I suppose we could join forces with the Jetta register?

Perhaps there should be some kind of parent organisation to point people to the right clubs/forums.

What we need to avoid is the siutation the Ford clubs are in where they have specific owners clubs for various models, yup, there is a specific club for the Mk1 Escort 1300 E - and they won't even talk to the Mk1 Escort 1100 club!!

This is worrying for a number of reasons;

Firstly - Most cars from the same period and manufacturer share common parts including in many cases engines.  It is important that clubs talk to each other, perticularly when they have located a had to find part or solved a common problem.  Otherwise you end up with the same quesion being posted by different members in different forums when it has already been answered by someone in one of the clubs.

Secondly - Shows, how many Ford owners clubs can't fill a show stand?  Quite a few.  Problem is, because they won't talk to each other, they seldom get stands thus fail to raise the profile of their cars or clubs.  I understand the reasons for wanting to keep vairous discreet registers but there needs to be plenty of comminication between both the registers and the owners of the cars registered in them.

Thirdly - "Clout".  The "weight" of an owners club with various other organisations is severly increased by the number of people they represent.  This is true of when people want a manufacturer to press a limited number of new/original parts that are not available.  They are more likely to put something into production for 2000 members than 20.

This is also true of government and police organisations.  Think about it, the government want to change rules on classic car ownership - if there are a number of clubs who won't talk to each other, they will not be organised enough to add weightly comment to these changes.

I am not saying that we should be forced to allow all VW owners into a club clearly for Mk1 Golf.  What I am saying is that if we don't let them in on the basis that another club exists, we need to have a very close relationship with that club and perhaps even send round a regular e-news letter with contributions from the various registers.

Think about it - if every member of ever club received an email in their mailbox every month with sections from each club in it will bring all of the registers together.  Perhaps a Polo club will be looking for a certain part which is no longer available so are considering putting them into production.  An other VW club may know an alternative supplier and part number for these parts thus solving that clubs problem.

Simple?  Well I hope so because the last thing we want is to fragment the VW community…

If I can put in my pen?orth.

Being the current owner of a MK1 GTI and Caddy and previously owning a Mk1 Jetta I feel I am reasonably qualified to contribute on this matter.

The MK1 platform is and was used for many different applications. Some like the Sciroco and Jetta were aimed at different markets from the hatch and were made to look very different. Some others were hatches and looked like a Golf but were called Rabbits and Citi Golfs. Also over the years they have been built in a number factories in various countries.

Calling the club something like the MK1 Platform isn?t very helpful.

This means that we have to use my mother. She views cars down at the level of blue ones and red ones. When I had the Jetta my brother had a MK1 Golf C 3 dr and there was no way we could convince her that they where the same inside and underneath. Sooooo?.  If you point at a Scirocco of Jetta she?d have no idea but she would be able to identify a Caddy as a Golf. Indeed she has actually called it a Golf Pickup.

Hence Caddy is a Golf but Jetta isn?t.

Early - hear hear

You can always rely on one's mother for sense!

Sooooo?. If you point at a Scirocco of Jetta she?d have no idea but she would be able to identify a Caddy as a Golf. Indeed she has actually called it a Golf Pickup.

I tend to agree here, but I also appreciate Rajan's straightforward analysis based on the chassis number and shared parts ratio.

I think it's probably something for the AGM. (it's going to be a looong meeting ) I will give it a bit of space on the agenda.

Rajan, if I do the 'case for the caddy as opposed to the jetta' are you happy to do a quick minute or so on why you feel the jetta should be added?

We can then vote on 'no caddy, no jetta; caddy, no jetta; or both'.

No response from the 'Jetta owners club' yet though.

I am not saying that we should be forced to allow all VW owners into a club clearly for Mk1 Golf. What I am saying is that if we don't let them in on the basis that another club exists, we need to have a very close relationship with that club and perhaps even send round a regular e-news letter with contributions from the various registers.

This is a good point, though I ought to point out that ownership of a mk1 'golf based vehicle' :wink: is not currently and should never be (IMHO) a requirement of membership. An interest in the subject is sufficient. Anyone and their dog can join the club itself. (within reason). The topic is the 'registers' rather than the 'club'. I have absolutely no problem with a mk1 jetta owner joining the club because they get some benefit from it. But, as to whether we should be tracking the other cars on a register, I'm not sure sure.

Arguably, if the Caddy and Jetta are allowed in, the other mk1 floorpan based cars should be too. Eg. Mk1 and Mk2 Scirocco most noticeably. These do have their own register already though.

I will send a message to the Caddyforum site to see what their reaction is to a potential register here. It may solve our dilemma!

Cheers,

Drew.