mot failure bit of advice needed

ive rebuilt my gti cab from various different sources,

and today was test day unfortunatly if failed on a couple of things only minor though.

the main thing it failed on was no side repeaters, as in there not fitted, becuase my car is an 88 and cars after 86 have to have side repeaters fitted  

so basically wot i need to know is were do the wires for the side repeaters come from as ive got an 83 wiring loom with now connections for them???

a bit of an idiots guid of how the cable is routed would be cool

cheers

You can always plumb into the wiring for your indicators!

Run the wires back and cut your holes in your wings and hey presto

Rob

yer i know that mate  :wink:

i was just after seeing were the wires are supposed to go

I would have thought they would have had 1 wire come from the fuse box direct and had an earth locally :dontknow:

oh yeah and you'll have to change your relay to one which will suit a 6 light system :wink:

Good point really, would mine fail MOT as my P plate SA import mk1 does not have side repeaters, it would really pee me off if i had to cut holes in wings, or is it excempt in my case as it was built like that from new
Any info is appreciated :wink:

Peddersgolf said

Good point really, would mine fail MOT as my P plate SA import mk1 does not have side repeaters, it would really pee me off if i had to cut holes in wings, or is it excempt in my case as it was built like that from new
Any info is appreciated :wink:

Yes, it needs them, because it was first used after 31 March 1986. I am surprised it passed the SVA test without them, or did it sneak into this country (and be registered) before this came in, with the 'type approval' validated against the Mk1's original design?

This is what i am thinking, does it come under the original design, plus with it being an import does the law about side indicators count all over the world or just uk, if this being the case my car should not come under this law or should it :dontknow:
Is there any other citi owner on this forum who also as no side repeaters and can shed some light on this, as yours been in the MOT and passed
Thanks again

Peddersgolf said

This is what i am thinking, does it come under the original design, plus with it being an import does the law about side indicators count all over the world or just uk, if this being the case my car should not come under this law or should it :dontknow:
Is there any other citi owner on this forum who also as no side repeaters and can shed some light on this, as yours been in the MOT and passed
Thanks again

As far as the SVA test is concerned, cars over 10 years old are exempt from it (but need MoT). Cars under 10 years old, need to have one before registration. Its changed a few times over the years, these days the car needs to more/less meet the same design standards as a new car.

ESVA is even stricter and is aimed at 'grey imports' or 'parallel imports' and there is some destructive testing, which obviously cannot be done on a per-car basis so you are required to submit technical documentation showing that it satisfies the rules, from approved labs, etc. Alternatively for a European model, certain countries' approvals are seen as equivalent to the UK's, so the car will have a "European Certificate of Conformity". This replaces (for new cars) the old "Type Approval" which was a national, not Europe-wide, thing.

It depends when your car was imported whether it underwent an SVA, or went through the previous rules on imports. Its possible in the past that your car was accepted based on the fact that the South African Mk1 was 'design equivalent' to the original Mk1 Golf, which of course has UK Type Approval - based on the less strict import rules of the time.

The SVA cleared up a lot of anomolies, but you must remember that the SVA and MoT aren't exactly equivalent to each other. So its possible to pass the SVA but fail the MoT, on the same car. As far as I'm aware the MoT has loads of age exemptions, a couple of "it was like this at production" exemptions (older American cars being able to have white front and red rear indicators, and being able to flash their headlights and taillights in lieu of separate indicators - how cool is that!), a couple of "accepted customisation" exemptions (solenoids are recognised as a mod) but no exemptions based on the originating country or import history!

Do know if this helps, on v5 it says 1st registered 1998, i have all mot's certicates from 2000 when it was brought over to the uk, i have all paperwork of original owners including the buyer from new who lives/lived
in namibia.
Hopefully the car will come under the original mk1, i can't see them being picky afterall it is a mk1

Peddersgolf said

Do know if this helps, on v5 it says 1st registered 1998, i have all mot's certicates from 2000 when it was brought over to the uk, i have all paperwork of original owners including the buyer from new who lives/lived
in namibia.
Hopefully the car will come under the original mk1, i can't see them being picky afterall it is a mk1

The way I read things, you need side repeaters, because of the age of the car. You've probably just been lucky in the past! Was your last MoT the computerised one, because I think they can now (using the computer) have available exact details of what is and isn't testable, during the test.

Hopefully Bert will be along and clear this all up, I think he's a CitiGolf owning MoT tester!

I have only had the car from April this year, it is due in august for next MOT.
Yes come on bert, really need help here.
Thanks again paul, i appreciate it fella :wink:

Also if i do need them, is the wiring loom there with extra plugs so i can fit the side repeaters, what else is needed and is there anyone who could possibily give me and hand on this.
Thanks as always :wink:

Hi dont know if this helps but a friend of mine just had an mot on his caddy 89 model again no side repeaters :?
He got round the problem by sticking some on the wing as a temp measure as he has now taken them off rather than drilling the wing.
He did get a pass and im asssuming this is how all cars from 86 onwards get away with it but it down to you. :dontknow:

I know someone who has done that before also - temp side repeaters for the MoT.  You know who you are!  

Thanks guys,
                   An update, just been to my local MOT station, been going there for nearly 10 years now, mentioned the problem and he said you can fit them if you want to update the look of the car to today's standards, but he has no reason not to pass it merely on the fact that the car comes under the mk1 golf catergory aslong as i have working indicators, thats all that matters
So happy days, no butchering of wings :mrgreen:
I'd like to thank all those that have taken there time out in helping on this matter, it is very much appreciated :wink:

Hi,just come back from the cornish coast,mint weather,nice break,my citigolf has had side repeaters fitted by the first uk owner,well fitted,my other citigolf i had on a 94 plate did not have them,i passed that myself and from memory tomo320 has a citigolf that i moted and that didnt have any either  :wink:
If your worried let me test it  :?
Bert (suntan stan)

even if you did need them you could place them on the side of your bumpers…just a thought  

Going back to the original question - where is the wiring for side repeaters run from - I was working on mine the other week and if I remember rightly the repeaters were run from a junction with the front indicator wire.  On the drivers side this junction was located just by the screen wash bottle and somewhere similar on the other side

Hope this helps

Ian

hey bert if it saves me drilling my wings the i maybe giving you a shout in the couple of weeks of so, just busy at the mo moving house, but if needs be i know were to come

cheers