Water in my footwells!

Hi guys, can anyone help me?
As you may have seen on other posts, i've decided to do a race project rally thing with my golf gti, trouble is i was installing some new front speakers when i came across ice in the passengers rear foot well. Cutting a long story short, it was full of water!  
Old water considering the smell! I've removed the entire carpet, sound dampening sponge/foam (i assume it was that) and a layer of rubber stuff??? All of which was soaking! :cry:
My concern is underneath that is really rottern, i initially thought it was the floor pan, but that's under this painted stuff which is kind of tough but not? if that makes any sense?!?!
Can anyone just reassure me as to what i'm getting myself into as i intend to rub down and hammerite the entire inside!

Below is a picture of the rear left right passenger footwell having removed the carpet and a layer of foam. That black looking stuff is the rubber stuff i mentioned above…



This is the worst of the rear footwells. I've put a red line around the areas which i assume is the floorpan appearing through, unpainted etc? But what is the painted crud on top? Some kind of factory filler???


I appreciate any help. Thanks.

P.S May sound stupid, but how do you remove the front seats!? Trying to find a Haynes manual, IMPOSSIBLE!

the removal of the front is very easy.
under the front seats at the front of the seats and in the middle you will see a runner bar with holes in it which is the adjustment for the seat moving back and forwards on the end of this bar is a small nut and bolt to stop it sliding out , remove this bolt  lift the handle to move the seat back and forward , push the seat all the way to the back till it comes out of this runner then just keep going till the seat comes free from the side runners and lift straight out ohh remember to remove the plastic covers that are next to hand brake held on with one screw close to rear seats
good luck
the wet floor could be blocked drain holes under the bonnet near the windscreen common problem this time of year

Quick question bud, do you have wind deflectors on the sides of the windscreen?
Pete :wink:

88mk1cab said

My concern is underneath that is really rottern, i initially thought it was the floor pan, but that's under this painted stuff which is kind of tough but not? if that makes any sense?!?!

I've put a red line around the areas which i assume is the floorpan appearing through, unpainted etc? But what is the painted crud on top? Some kind of factory filler???

That thick black stuff is factory sound deadening. It's like a sticky backed bitumen pad. Over time it goes brittle and thats why it's broken away where the ribs of the floor pan are (on pic with red lines around). You can  gently remove most of the black pads with a hammer and a blunt chisel and then clean any last bits off with a wire wheel. I wouldn't heat it up to remove it as it'll get messy.

Cheers,
Gav

Cheers guys, least i know what's going on and how to do it. Wind deflectors? No Pete, i don't believe i do  :dontknow:   

Is there a problem with wind deflectors?  :dontknow:
I shall not put them on otherwise  :wink:   

Yes as i found out,  Part of the deflectors sit under the windscreen seal, thus the seal slighty lifts, this let in water in passenger footwell, you have to make sure the wind deflectors are correctly fitted and sealed, as what i found was that when it rained, the water runs down the seal and ends up coming in via the corners.
Mine was on the passenger side, i removed dash to find excactly where it come in.
On the passenger side of dash, their is a groove in the metal work, this ends up directly over the fusebox and water drips onto it, i had a problem last week whereas no wiper and no heater.
Water had leaked on fusebox and one of the relays i think number 18 had totally burnt out and was caked in water, i have plenty of spares over the years.
Removed mat from under carpet and left out to dry, it wasnt soaked but wet, and no smell so recently leak had started.
Rmoved and cleaned fusebox and put a clear silicon down the windscreen rubber, all sorted. no more leaks.
But also do check the drainage holes and rubbers as suggested by other members also.
I will find a pic of dash and post up where the water runs for you
Pete :wink:

Here you go bud

Peddersgolf said

Here you go bud

Fancy going to all the trouble of striping your dash just to help a new guy, pedders that's true Mk1 dedication.  

Thanks man, that's really cool of you. I will look into that, as you can tell i'm all new to this so that kind of help and information is priceless!!!
Spot on! Thanks again  :wink:

You could also check the rubber grommets between the main body of the car & the tailgate, there is one on the left hand side that houses the rear wiper cables & one on the right hand side that holds the rear washer tube. That appears to be where my problem lay, the left one had deteriorated thru time and water was leaking into it & eventually turning up in either my front passenger footwell or drivers rear footwell depending on how it was parked…..

You can see the rotten rubber in the 3rd pic in the thread below:

http://www.vwgolfmk1.org.uk/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=33267

Worth a look  :dontknow:

You can still get the grommets from Vw

All the best tracing the source, the interior of mine is stripped out at present with just the drivers seat in place

Peddersgolf

Does this look familiar?



Mine is leaking so much water in its untrue

was getting through 2 bath towels a day in both footwells when it was really raining

I do have wind deflectors but have had the windscreen fitted 3 times. Last time they told me its not coming in through the windscreen but somewhere else. Not sure what to believe though

check the drivers chassis rail as there is a hole towards the bulkhad that was coerd up with tape from factory if its not there waer will run into the car, i found this out from my last cabby, also check the draintubes  in the bulkhead and make sure all gromits are good and ok on the bulkhead too.

simon

Jools,
        what simon says about chassis rail is true, 2 of them one either side, i cover mine with thin sheets of metal silicon sealed and underseal over the top.
To defo find out if deflectors are at fault bud, simply have someone else poor water from a kettle at the top of the deflector and see if watercomes through.
Where the delfector meets the windscreen seal you will notice the seal has lifted slighty, if you have had a new screen fitted like i had it will not be sealed correctly and water will pass inside.
Pete :wink:

Well i am removing those BLEEP BLEEP wind deflectors of mine, water again in my footwell after 2 days parked, up, went out for a drive, car electrics went and broke down on m60 was not in best of moods so called out aa to tow me back home as i knew what problem was, water on fuse box, think this is why headlight fault started, fuming.
Anyway they are being ripped off tomorrow and staying off, i'll seal screen then to make sure it doest happen again.
Never had water problem until fitted those blasted deflectors.
Pete

Well decided to get down to this today, oh and it rained like no tomorrow, typical
Stripped out dash, 10 minutes job, got to fuse box and removed it, removed the deflectors and put a car sheet on car overnight, hopefully no rain tomorrow so i can seal the screen from leaks.
Anyway decided to strip fusebox, then come across this, aswell as it being waterlogged, one of the pins that a fuse connects to had snapped, think this is the headlight problem.
Was going to dry fusebox out and solder the pin back on but bought new box from gsf instead.
So my advice to mk1 owners would be anything electrical take the front cover off your fusebox and examine it carefully just incase there is a fault inside.
I would  have never found this if i wasn't curious has to what was inside.
Dont forget people mine is only a 10 year old box, so a 25 year old one would surely have more problems if any
Once dry weather appears i'll seal up windscreen and fit new fusebox in.

Yes i do bite my nails, well after past 2 days, think you would

And no more deflectors, yeh!

I knew there was something about you I didn't like, you're a Gooner!!!

Just feeling cocky as QPR won at the weekend.

Tian

Well your not going to feel cocky about driving round in a floppy toppy are you
Pete :wink:

jools182 said

Peddersgolf

Does this look familiar?



Mine is leaking so much water in its untrue

was getting through 2 bath towels a day in both footwells when it was really raining

I do have wind deflectors but have had the windscreen fitted 3 times. Last time they told me its not coming in through the windscreen but somewhere else. Not sure what to believe though

Joolls,    
        if you not sure about the explaination of what they say, remove your dash, look a the channel i shown'd you and poor water at the top of the deflector, see if it comes in bud, that way your defo sure bud .
Bud hat channel wherre your water is coming from, their is only one of them along the metal framework of the dash area bud, i Honestly believe it's coming from your windscreen fella
Pete :wink: