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Anyone else had trouble with ignition timing with electronic ignition conversions??

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Two spereatr kits and neither allow for correct ignition timing..

Hey guys, 
As above, had anyone else had trouble getting their ignition timing correct on the small block engines after fitting an electronic ignition kit?
Over a decade ago I fitted a pertronix kit to my formel e but even with the dizzy wound right round it left the timing at least 6 degrees retarded. It finally died last year and so fed was I that I put the old points back in and for a few hundred miles it drove so much better until they started messing around again.. 
so, being tight and not wanting to spend a load on another expensive kitbthat wone fit I bought an accuspark kit, guess what, that also has left the timing in the same retarded state! Grr
with the strobe on it I can't adjust it beyond showing tdc with the vac disconnected and about 6 degrees advance with it connected. 
If only I had a good set of points to hand..
So my question is- am I alone in this or has anyone else had similar troubles?? 
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