What ignition system for carbed 1.8 16v??????

hi

I am trying to put a 1.8 16v on weber 45s into my golf C and am wondering what ignition or setup too use. Unfortunatly I do not have the original ignition system and none of the wiring. I have been looking at MSD ignitions but they all seem to need the amplifier (which i dont have).

Any sugestions or setups you use would be very helpfull. As i am finding it very difficult to find the right parts and as i am only 14 i am on quite a small budget so a relativly cheap setup would be good.

thanks

tim

3 ways:

1. Use a small block dizzy, coil etc Not ideal timing but will work
2. Use the 16V distributor, wiring, TCI, ECU. Should be relatively easy to find, buy and install, not too costly
3. MSD setup. Expensive but allows you to optimise timing for best power.

so it would be better to try and find the original 16v ignition, would this then work without any of the sensors attached or would they have to be wired up aswell???
Sorry if im beeing stupide here!!!!

youngvwnut said

so it would be better to try and find the original 16v ignition, would this then work without any of the sensors attached or would they have to be wired up aswell???
Sorry if im beeing stupide here!!!!

The standard 16V ignition only uses 1 sensor, a coolant temp sensor. Which sensors are you detaching?

I dont have any of the wiring for the original managment as the engine had a german spec setup on it, and we could not source anyparts, anyway. If i found a complete system then you would just plug the sensors in and it would be fine??
 
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youngvwnut said

I dont have any of the wiring for the original managment as the engine had a german spec setup on it, and we could not source anyparts, anyway. If i found a complete system then you would just plug the sensors in and it would be fine??
 
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Can you explain what you mean by "German spec setup", I don't understand what you mean? Do you mean fuel injection?

Also, what kind of engine (engine code please).

Also what do you mean by "sensors"? I know what a sensor is, but you'd not really change or alter these, even if converting a car to run on carbs, etc. After all you'd still want a coolant temp gauge, oil temp, pressure, etc no matter if it were carbs or injection. If you removed sensors, then the holes it left behind would leak oil, coolant, air, whatever they sensed.

It is a 'PL' engine code which had a more  sensors on than the british ones, which is why I didnt keep the wiring. And the only sensors I am talking about are the cold start up sensors but now realise they wont be needed with the carbs.

I understand that the oil and water sensors will have to stay, it was just whether the unit would be able to keep time and run propely without all of the loom wired up??


sorry I didnt explain myself verywell.

If I were you, and I was you some time ago doing the same thing, I would use the VW transistorized ignition system that came on the KR code engines. It only needs something like 9 or 10 wires to hook up and the curve is correct for the engine. There is a connection for a idle switch, closed throttle, but it is not required for what you are doing. Your idle will be higher then the normal injected engine anyway. The box has a green or black colored vent cap and the number is 811 907 384. You will need a temperature sender which you should already have and a vacuum line which the PL uses also for load sensing.

The MSD set-up does work but is rather expensive. The Polo distributor also works as stated, but requires playing with springs and stop adjustment to get the curve right.

dead easy to wire up the kr stuff, as said you just need the coolanty temp sensor which is the same as a sts MK1 dash sensor, so you probably have one spare on the old engine.  Or just buy a new one from VW.  Only other thing you need is a vacuum feed, take this off one of the nipples on the non-return valve in the chunky hose to the brake servo




1 - Earth to battery -ve
2 - KR ign controller plug
3 - TCI-H plug
4 - Black - KR ign controller & TCI-H ign live - terminal 15 side of coil
5 - Green - Coil trigger - terminal 1 side of coil
6 - Brown - Earth to cylinder head
7 - Blue/white - Temp sensor feed (use one of the 3 on the side of the head)
8 - Dizzy plug
9 - red/yellow - Fuel pump relay earth trigger
\- black/yellow - idle switch feed (12v feed with throttle shut)

ok

thanyou everybody, this has solved the problem  just need to source the kr system now!!!    

thanks