Advice before i drop fuel tank - fuel leak
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Been a busy beaver since i bought this MK1 GTI cab, nothing majorly wrong but in typical form - as soon as one thing is fixed or replaced something else pops up!
After changing water pump, some hose clamps, heater matrix, oil cooler, timing belt and tensioner i decided to take it for a good Squirt down the back roads and on the way back for the first time since buying i filled it up to the brim with fuel.
Since owning its had a slight smell of fresh petrol but never saw any sign of a leak on the floor or on the base of the fuel tank so put it down to me not being used to "old car smell" - anyway went out this morning and my driveway stinks of a filling station, and two damp patches finally revealing my suspicion it have a problem.
slow and steady drips coming down from two areas, one mid tank and one over by the exhaust heat shield - of the two the heat shield side was by far the "wettest" area - although i am not sure if maybe the leak is somewhere else and its just running down to this area?
had it up on stands just now, - and as soon as its lifted the drips all stop.
from inspection - all drivers side is looking fine - pumps and filler neck dry, clamps fine and just one drip to be found at the bottom of a clear braided hose that looks to go up and over the tank to the mid section.
lifted back seats - dry as a bone under the tank access panel.
in the cars history it had work done at a garage under a year ago with the previous owner replacing fuel pump and full new fuel lines - and that all looks fine, like i say no leaks etc - its just coming from the exhaust side.
before i drop the axle to take the tank out to inspect - what would you recommend checking? i had a scour of the forum and checked what i saw there - but short of it being a hole in the tank i cant see why it would be leaking on the passenger exhaust side as from the diogram's i can find i cant see any hoses or fittings there?
any and all advice welcomed
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I would pull the back seat and the inspection cover to validate that I don't have a leak at the hose connections.
Using the Screw type of clamps is a no-no on fuel lines and the fuel clamps are a must.
There aren't any clamps or hoses on the left near the exhaust, and tanks do go bad, pulling the inspection cover and the fuel sender out will allow you to look in the tank a wee bit to see if it is rusty.
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As Briano1234 fuel hose clamps must be used and not normal jubilee clamps as they squash the hose in 1 area unlike fuel hose clamps.
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Worth removing the fuel sender as it's easy to not get the seal seated right and fuel will leak out when full.
Your tank looks new so should not have any holes in it unless it's a manufactures fault?
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Typical Digifant system:
Typical CIS
Old school Diesels, and Early Gassers were bottom feeders out of the right front corner of the tank. (driver side in the UK and passenger side in USA)
Typically the only place save for a SEAM on the side of the tank on the left is possibly from the Sending unit at the top, and or the fuel filter on the DIGI as it is center mounted.
With the age of these cars and the advent of e-rated fuels all hoses are suspect.
VW used fuel clamps OEM that were the banded and crimped over.
Folks cut those off and use the Screw Clamps that on smaller diameter hoses can oblong one side and not seal properly and returning fuel can weep or spray about.
Proper screw type of fuel clamp, notice that it forces the clamp to remain circular on the hose and clamp equally around the pipe.
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bloody hole in the tank - at least 2 that i could see!
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Whats the inside look like peering through the sender/pump hole? Clean and shiney or rusty?
Beware I replaced the GTI with a pattern tank and had mega problems with fuel starvation. In the end found a good 2nd hand original thats still working fine.
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It's relatively easy to take out, but it is a bloody awkward shape - disconnect hoses and remove sender unit, rear wheels off, drop axle off its bolts and lower down on jack - but leave coil overs attached to pivot and it slipped out without too much hassle.
After a closer look today, there are about 7 holes ranging from the one in the photo above to hardly visible pinholes, some of them along the weld seams.
The shame is the tank is in 98% good condition, took a look with a endoscope - inside it almost looks new apart from where these holes are, then there is a small tiny patch of rust that's eaten through - in the cars history it was laid up in a garage in Anglesey for a few years so I suspect it happened then and all the other owners have just put up with it!
If it was one, then I might repair but as it's a lot , with some in the seams I just ordered a new tank, as otherwise I could see it turning into a reoccurring nightmare.
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nicci21paul said
hi mate where you located
Hey, North Wales - Just over the border outside Chester
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Definatly a 2 person job to put it back in - I did it on my own today and it took 4 axel stands and 3 jack's to hold lift and move everything into position.
On a positive note managed to get a overly generous blast of waxoil over everything while it was up!
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Exceptional quality, comes zinc coated and sprayed silver then I put three coats of black underseal on it before I installed - the black tar type paint,then also gave it a good coat of wax oil (hopefully it will help stave off any rust but made it bloody slippery to handle!)Carl Jones said
good stuff, where did you get the tank from, looks good quality?
Got it from heritage parts;
https://www.vwheritage.com/155201075-fuel-tank-55-litre-vw-spare
I think I could have repaired my old tank by welding or could have bought a 2nd hand but wanted the peice of mind of a new one.
The tank looked perfect but it must have been ever so slightly larger as it had to be pressed back into place with a jack and a strip of wood to spread the load - didn't take much force and the wax oil helped it slide in a bit better (that's what she said)
All the holes lined up perfectly so that's great.
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