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Just got a bargain on a 1980 gli cabby that's been stored for 4 years, the engine apparently won't turn on a bar but haven'r tried myself yet, was going to take the plugs out and soak with rustbuster then give another go? I hope to get the car running and if I can then will continue with restoration. Also I've owned an EX 1.8 clipper carb for the last 3 years and have no experience with the injection engines do I basically have a 1.6 gti lump? Any advise on giving it a good once over especially the injection system would be a great help! image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg

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yea 1600 gti lump but looking at the state of it I would remove and clean out the fuel system before you attempt to put any power to it. - The fuel system maybe OK if you first take the time to make sure its clear of rust. If you don't you'll probably destroy the metering head and injectors at the least. Regards the seizure. It maybe worth removing the plugs and tipping diesel down the bores. However it maybe the reason it got laid up in the first place.
Don't be too hasty in any decision you make. These early cabbies are fairly rare now.

Nice find btw!

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Yomp said

yea 1600 gti lump but looking at the state of it I would remove and clean out the fuel system before you attempt to put any power to it. - The fuel system maybe OK if you first take the time to make sure its clear of rust. If you don't you'll probably destroy the metering head and injectors at the least. Regards the seizure. It maybe worth removing the plugs and tipping diesel down the bores. However it maybe the reason it got laid up in the first place.
Don't be too hasty in any decision you make. These early cabbies are fairly rare now.

Nice find btw!
 thanks for that heads up mate, need to do my research on the fuel system but getting it turning is the first priority, the owner had it for years stored for over 4 and is now seized, got the whole car for 200 quid! Its very original too seats are all under covers and mint also, I love these cars and appreciate how rare they are getting, would hope to get it looking like this one day!

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Agree with Yomp DO NOT START THE CAR YET..

I'm surprised it's seized after only 4 years, just may be a case of just sticking a little, drop a little oil down the bores and try and turn the engine one way and then the other using a spanner/socket on the crank.
It's properly best to remove the head anyway to check inside the engine but try and turn it over first.

The engine I've just fitted in my car was out of a car, sat on a pallet, underneath a bit of tarp without the fuel injectors fitted in a back garden for 4 years and that is OK.

Hopefully you got yourself a bargain there, also something for you to do over the coming months.  :thumbs:Keep us updated on the progress.

1988 Mk1 Golf GTi Cabriolet 1.8cc DX, K-jet. Daily drive. 317,000 miles and counting
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.

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mark1gls said

Agree with Yomp DO NOT START THE CAR YET..

I'm surprised it's seized after only 4 years, just may be a case of just sticking a little, drop a little oil down the bores and try and turn the engine one way and then the other using a spanner/socket on the crank.
It's properly best to remove the head anyway to check inside the engine but try and turn it over first.

The engine I've just fitted in my car was out of a car, sat on a pallet, underneath a bit of tarp without the fuel injectors fitted in a back garden for 4 years and that is OK.

Hopefully you got yourself a bargain there, also something for you to do over the coming months.  :thumbs:Keep us updated on the progress.
  That's what I thought, I reckon I can get it turning hopefully, once I get to that stage then getting it running will be first step, probably remove all the fuel system and clean, first start up frim an external fuel source if I have to, will keep you posted!

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Just had a look on ebay and the Gli do seem to go for a good price (not sure they are worth the asking price!)

A couple seem to have the later body kit fitted.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-GLi-Convertible-Classic-1980-RESTORED-Garage-Find-/142031464323?hash=item2111bc2783:g:PlQAAOSw3YNXaFMI

One with some problems and look at the strut tops, do they look worn out even though "the car has been checked over" ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/volkswagen-mk1-golf-karmann-cabriolet-1-6-GLI-convertible-1982-vw-/131855902937?hash=item1eb33968d9:g:YI4AAOSwMNxXarqD

New front wings don't fit and a different colour to the rest of the car, as the ad says "needs a little love on the rear arch!" Spots of rust starting all over the place…..
 

 

1988 Mk1 Golf GTi Cabriolet 1.8cc DX, K-jet. Daily drive. 317,000 miles and counting
1978 Mk1 Scirocco GLS 1.6cc FR, Webber carb. Weekend toy.

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mark1gls said

Just had a look on ebay and the Gli do seem to go for a good price (not sure they are worth the asking price!)

A couple seem to have the later body kit fitted.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-GLi-Convertible-Classic-1980-RESTORED-Garage-Find-/142031464323?hash=item2111bc2783:g:PlQAAOSw3YNXaFMI

One with some problems and look at the strut tops, do they look worn out even though "the car has been checked over" ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/volkswagen-mk1-golf-karmann-cabriolet-1-6-GLI-convertible-1982-vw-/131855902937?hash=item1eb33968d9:g:YI4AAOSwMNxXarqD

New front wings don't fit and a different colour to the rest of the car, as the ad says "needs a little love on the rear arch!" Spots of rust starting all over the place…..
 

 
 And the top one has late clipper kit fitted so not original, and both have their problems, I think I'm onto a real winner tbh, I love the colour and original style and being a 36 year old car with 70k and most original parts it definitely has the potential in my opinion, don't want to break it hopefully it's a doable restoration!

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Older cabbys never seem to reflect the prices of similar age hatchbacks, which is a shame really because I feel the older ones are more elegant than the newer ones, which are obviously more popular and depress the values.

                                

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paul_c said

Older cabbys never seem to reflect the prices of similar age hatchbacks, which is a shame really because I feel the older ones are more elegant than the newer ones, which are obviously more popular and depress the values.
 That's exactly what I thought looking at the car, very charming elegant old thing, restored I think I'd maybe even prefer it to my late cabby, I got it so cheap is the thing I have nothing to lose really!

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I don't think there's much difference - therefore advantage - in the 'newer' cabbys. Yes they are more likely to have power windows, central locking, power hood and possibly 13cm speakers up front but these aren't massive differences. There's still not the "biggies" like power steering, the extra refinement that EFI or a stiffer body like the Mk3 offers. They're definitely of a previous generation.

Not that that's a bad thing, of course - its what makes the Mk1 desirable, in a way. The clipper kit, at the time, was a fresh update on the 12 year old (if you count the hatch - 7 if not) shape but there's something about the smaller bumpers, original grille (especially with a red or chrome grille surround and single lamps) and older 13" alloys designs.

All a completely personal opinion, of course. I'm sure there's people who prefer the newer cabby style too, or their own custom additions.

                                

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paul_c said

I don't think there's much difference - therefore advantage - in the 'newer' cabbys. Yes they are more likely to have power windows, central locking, power hood and possibly 13cm speakers up front but these aren't massive differences. There's still not the "biggies" like power steering, the extra refinement that EFI or a stiffer body like the Mk3 offers. They're definitely of a previous generation.

Not that that's a bad thing, of course - its what makes the Mk1 desirable, in a way. The clipper kit, at the time, was a fresh update on the 12 year old (if you count the hatch - 7 if not) shape but there's something about the smaller bumpers, original grille (especially with a red or chrome grille surround and single lamps) and older 13" alloys designs.

All a completely personal opinion, of course. I'm sure there's people who prefer the newer cabby style too, or their own custom additions.
 my cabby is late enough for clipper kit etc, too old for leccy windows etc, I've restored it to fully original condition and I love it, I appreciate all old cars that are well kept, if I see a 1992 ford fiesta owned by a 82 year old woman with 30k on the clock I just want to buy it haha! But yeah the appeal of this early car is massively growing on me, I'm hoping to get it turning without having to knock the pistons out but who knows maybe I'll lift the engine out anyway if J restore properly!

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I'm with paul_c. I just bought a 1990 GTI cabrio. My ideal was one of the earlier cars without the Clipper kit as I think they look better. They're closer to Karmann's original concept and I think look more elegant. But, after looking at some very ropey cars, I came across a good one owner car that I thought was too good to miss so I got that instead. Now I keep looking jealously at earlier cars! Ha!

Take your time with the restoration. You don't want to mess anything up through hurrying.

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TeeTee said

I'm with paul_c. I just bought a 1990 GTI cabrio. My ideal was one of the earlier cars without the Clipper kit as I think they look better. They're closer to Karmann's original concept and I think look more elegant. But, after looking at some very ropey cars, I came across a good one owner car that I thought was too good to miss so I got that instead. Now I keep looking jealously at earlier cars! Ha!

Take your time with the restoration. You don't want to mess anything up through hurrying.
 My clipper is 1990 and I love it, the early car I've bought (first year of cabby production as far as I can tell) is so appealing to me though I love it already! I've taken 3 years on my clipper and have learnt a lot of the mk1 along the way so hoping it will give me a head start on this one!

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image.jpeg Had a proper dig through the paperwork today (a whole box full including all books & thousands £££ of repairs!!) and found its last mot to be 2012 and it has done no more than 40 miles since, and about 5000 miles in 20 odd years. Hoping since it's run not that long ago that it won't be too bad to get it free'd up. Also looking at bits for it, ARE FUEL LINES REALLY THAT PRICEY?! Madness if no one else makes them/has them made, £150 for some braided line is just madness! image.jpeg

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MK1CabbyWhite said

ARE FUEL LINES REALLY THAT PRICEY?!

No, they're just standard fittings and pipework (for solid lines anyway) but because its a slightly different size than brake lines, takes a little more searching to find them - but its possible, and would probably cost about £40 in bits to make up a set of solid fuel lines. Not sure about braided but they're seen all the time on custom cars and hot rods etc so seach around, don't just try Crazyquiffs etc.

                                

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paul_c said

MK1CabbyWhite said

ARE FUEL LINES REALLY THAT PRICEY?!

No, they're just standard fittings and pipework (for solid lines anyway) but because its a slightly different size than brake lines, takes a little more searching to find them - but its possible, and would probably cost about £40 in bits to make up a set of solid fuel lines. Not sure about braided but they're seen all the time on custom cars and hot rods etc so seach around, don't just try Crazyquiffs etc.

 Sorry I mean the braided lines for the fuel injectors, cheapest I've seen are £110? I have access to a proper parts washer at work I can remove all fuel system and clean throughouly for now just to try and get it going? Think I will do that first

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Welcome to the £ MK1 world

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1987 Alpine White 1.8 Clipper Cabriolet

The trouble with doing nothing is that you never know when you are finished.

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Early-1800 said

Welcome to the £ MK1 world
 indeed not a cheap game, sunk about 6K into my white cabby!

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the later cabs have redesigned seals pretty much front to back to help reduce leaks and wind noise, other than that there is no real advantage either way they are pretty much the same car.

the later ones do have a different fuel tank and filler neck which are specific to them and the scirocco so usually cost more than the earlier parts which are the same as the tintop, so arguably its better to have an earlier one :lol:

styling wise its up to your preference. personally I dont like the clipper kit so was happy with my 83 GLI when put back to standard, it did have a BBS body kit on it which I did like but I needed the money more so I sold it on :lol:

I hate the cabrio chunky rubbing strips too so I got a set of tintop ones instead! you can convert either way though so early/late makes no odds there.

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I've always wondered why all cabbys have wide side trim strips, and all hatchbacks have narrow ones.

                                
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