conversion help needed

Right then. I've stumbled into a guy who's scraping a mk2 and he has pretty much given me a free reign on what I can pick from the car… its got g 60 brakes and a 1.8 16v engine. I was wondering can I transfer stuff like the suspension over as well? And the wiring loom? (Mine has been butchered). also is there anything else I should be transferring across while I'm at it? The car will be running when I get it and it'll have the vast majority on it but would it were worth taking anything else from it to make life easier?

It's all going into my mk1 gti which wasn't the plan but I need to get it back on the road as I cant stand the clio  l'm having to battle with to keep it running. 

Any help would be appreciated

can use the loom  

use the rear brakes and servo+m/c, wiper motor. suspension is different though.

Sorry but what's the servo+m/c?

Sweet. Thanks for the help and ill remember to buy some suspension lol. 

Also could I use the exhaust off the mk2? I'm not 100% sure it would fit in a mk1.

I don't think the Mk2 golf exhaust will fit as the floor pan is different to a mk1.

I didn't think it would either. Just wanted to make sure that was all.

Thanks again! .

Answer to your other question… Servo + m/c is Brake servo and master cyinder (you will also need the brake fluid bottle), they are larger on the Mk2 golf so when fitted to a Mk1 it gives you a better feel to the brake pedal as there is more force going to your brakes, it wont make you stop any quicker it just makes the pedal feel firmer.

Link to servo and you can see the master cyinder and bottle.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vw-Golf-Mk2-Gti-8v-Brake-Servo-/131442485492?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1e9a9528f4

  

Sweet thanks again for answering the questions.

just an after thought but would the driveshafts from the mk2 fit the mk1? Or would I be able to use the existing mk1s? 

calipers and carriers will go with adaptor brackets, rear disc setup also fits. but apart from that not much else is any use to you apart from the engine and gearbox if you wanted those. suspension and shafts are all wrong as are bearing carriers etc. front seats will fit if you swap slide levers, rear are too narrow i think?

the wiring loom is all the wrong length as fusebox is on opposite side of the car, but if you know how to mess with soldering iron and/or a crimping tool some of it can be adapted.

the dash loom is all wrong lengths and plugs all different, rear loom kinda fits but you'll need to swap a couple wires for indicators and extend fuel pump wiring to reach.

lighting loom as above it sorta fits but need to do some messing, engine loom is mostly too long so can be shortened back without too much effort

the problem I have it the loom that's already in the mk1 has been butchered… ie the last owner thought he was a dab hand at being an electrician but really wasn't and has completely ballsed it up… seeing as the engine will be coming from the mk2 would I be able to adapt parts of it to replace the bodged parts on mine or would that get too confusing… I'm not the best with electrics either which doesn't really help… 

Also would I need a custom exhaust to fit the engine or would I be able to buy an off the shelf one?

Does anyone know how to remove the top 2 bolts from the steering rack as they are domed so a socket will not fir on it…

And with the drive shafts not fitting I'm assuming I would be able to use the old ones from the mk1 without any hassle? But could I take the hubs from the mk2 and swap those onto the mk1 drive shafts? As then I would also be able to use the mk2 brake calipers?

Sorry for all the questions… but thanks for helping out!

if nothing else you can use parts of the mk2 loom for spare wire if its good, but chances are it'll probably be as bad

if you want to run the mk2 engine on the mk2 management then yeah use the mk2 engine loom adapted to fit your car. as i say most of it is too long so its dead easy especially if you have the right terminals as you can just chop off the excess and crimp fresh pins on. this has the added advantage of cutting off the old cruddy and corroded end sections of wire back to fresh copper and insulation

exhaust wise loads of off the shelf 1.8 16v mk1 conversion manifolds, if you can weld you can chop up the mk2 and mk1 downpipes then weld up a conversion unit yourself this is what mine had with the stock mk2 16v manifold. pics in my build thread, as well as many other tips you might find useful:
View topic: Project 83 MK1 cabby, several years in the making! - The Mk1 Golf Owners Club

which rack the mk2 or mk1?

for shafts you can use the mk1 units if your old gearbox is also fitted, the mk2 16v box has 100mm flanges and for those you'll need mk1 cab/rocco 100mm shafts.

the mk2 bearing carriers are not a straight fit, you need mk2 manual steering arms as the mk1 items will be too short, plus you'll need to grind down where the shocks go as mk1 are narrower. mod wishbones to take mk2 ball joints, iirc may have to use spacwers on the track rods too as they're lower on mk2 units compared to mk1.

basically, dont bother even trying to make mk2 stuff fit, just buy 280mm adaptor brackets off ebay or the caddy forum then the 280mm setup will bolt to the mk1 bearing carriers  

It's a mk 1 steering rack…

So if I keep the mk2 gear box on ill need 16 rococo drive shafts? … would the g60 brakes fit onto all of that? And if it did that would all go together?

Also what are the 280 mm adapters? And what are they for?

SamGti said

Does anyone know how to remove the top 2 bolts from the steering rack as they are domed so a socket will not fir on it…

I guess you mean the steering column?

They are shear bolts which means when you bolt them up the nut shears off the top and you can't remove them easy. You will need to either grab the dome end or care fully grab the threaded end with some mole grips to undo them or cut a slot in the dome end and use a screw driver.
They are there for security.
When you come to put the steering column back on you will need some new bolts but I would just change them for standard bolts or you can get new sheer bolts from VW.

More info here on someone else thread.
http://vwgolfmk1.org.uk/forum/index.php?page=topicview&id=technical%2Fbodywork-fittings-and_2%2Fweird-bolt

 

G60 brake calipers fitting kit, it's so the G60 calipers will fit to the Mk1 golf hub. The problem you may have is 280mm disc are big so you may have problems fitting wheels to the car, what size wheels do you have or hoping to fit?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswagen-MK1-Golf-Brake-Conversion-Kit-Brackets-For-G60-Calipers-280mm-Discs-/171445281569?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item27eaef6321

What gearbox are you hoping to fit as there is 2 sizes of flanges/drive shafts so you will need to match what's fitted to the gearbox or change the flanges and seals on the gearbox.
90mm are fitted to early cars and 100mm fitted to later cars eg Golf cabriolet.
16v Scirocco's are hard to find as VW only imported a few so you are best looking for the golf cabriolet if looking for 2nd hand ones.

What gearbox do you have, you will find the code on the bottom and do you know what size flanges /CV joints are fitted to your car?
Loads of info on here about gearboxes and different flanges and gearbox codes..
http://brokevw.com/
 

not 16v rocco, any mk1 cab/rocco with fuel injection made after 1984, and some 1.8 carbs after 1988ish. oh and some caddy got the 100mm shafts too.

the alternative is swap the flanges, but you need yet another box for that one as you'll need alter 90mm jobbers from mk2 1.6 or mk3 1.9 n/a diesel. your gti flanges are wrong type.  as i say you can just fit your old gearbox if its good for an easy life

as mark says changing shafts wont help with the brakes, just fit the adaptors and you can keep your old bearing carriers. only worry if you swap shafts is they can lock up when fitted to pre-94 bearing carriers, so if possible get the shafts and bearing carriers off the same car.

I think my brain had just melted!

I was hoping to fit the gearbox from the mk2 as it's already bolted to the engine so it makes life easier… but I don't have the donner car yet so I can't be sure what size the shafts are… maybe 100 mm? 

I have 15s on it at the moment but I'll be getting 16s with the mk2 so they will be going on if the 15s don't fit.

Would the mk1 box be man enough for it? 

are the driveshafts on the mk2 gear box a different shape? Is that the reason they won't fit the hubs? 

And thanks for the sheer bolts… that was exactly what I wanted!

What year is your car?

either an 82 or an 89… For the life of me I can't remember… I'll have a look when I get home.

Is it a cabriolet?
VW made the tin tops up to 1982 then they moved onto the Mk2 Golf for 10 years.
The mk1 cabriolet stayed in production till 1992 ish.

It's a hard top so it'll be 82.

I can't see any point in swapping the existing Mk1 gearbox for the 16V box, the 90mm flanges take the power absolutely fine, and the ratios are basically the same anyway (arguably, better in the Mk1!)